Administrators Andrew Reid Posted January 1, 2016 Author Administrators Share Posted January 1, 2016 I don't tend to enable Gain terminology on the camera, I use ISO. So it does it in ISO mode over a certain value as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanDaven Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 I don't tend to enable Gain terminology on the camera, I use ISO. So it does it in ISO mode over a certain value as well?In all values above base ISO, no matter what Color mode or Picture Profile. I am very certain it has to do with the sensor readout + noise @ UHD. Did you check my Vimeo link earlier in the thread? My 4k upgraded F5 does not show this problem at similar or higher gain settings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted January 2, 2016 Author Administrators Share Posted January 2, 2016 I've not noticed it in S-LOG at ISO 3200 yet... Will test it some more and try and reproduce it.I've not updated the firmware yet to the latest one, but I don't think that makes a difference.I've set the colour mode for S-LOG 2 to Rec.709 and raised the blacks, trying to mimic Canon LOG. Early shots look good in this mode, not yet shot enough with it to know if I will keep this setting.I've also been delving into the camera 'saved settings' XML file, unfortunately it's not a text file like on the original F5 where you could edit it to enable 4K! Would love to find a way to enable other codec options on the FS5!In my opinion the raw tap can't come soon enough to the FS5. It isn't acceptable for Sony to keep putting out faulty firmware in release cameras or crippled codecs that aren't any better than what they have in a $1000 compact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanDaven Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 I've not noticed it in S-LOG at ISO 3200 yet... Will test it some more and try and reproduce it.It won't happen at ISO3200 in SLog because that's the base ISO of the profile. Like ISO1000 is the base ISO of Cine4. It will only happen at higher ISOs (= adding gain to base ISO). In SLog, which is Sony's approach to mimic CineEI / film stock properties, you can only apply a sensitivity boost by applying Gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rungunshoot Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 is low light as good as a7s?Low light test. FS5 nowhere near as good as a7sii.https://vimeo.com/148669030 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted January 2, 2016 Author Administrators Share Posted January 2, 2016 Low light test. FS5 nowhere near as good as a7sii.https://vimeo.com/148669030It really depends.If you count F1.2 at ISO 3200 low light and a well exposed image (I do) then the FS5 will be clean, as long as you don't mis-grade S-LOG in post and ramp up the black level.ISO 6400 is also good. ISO 12,800 and up better using the A7S II.The FS5 is certainly not a bad low light camera.I don't count super clean ISO 800 to 3200 as bad in low light.Better to compare it to the Blackmagic URSA Mini 4.6K or Red Dragon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanDaven Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Low light test. FS5 nowhere near as good as a7sii.https://vimeo.com/148669030Rolling shutter is also nowhere nearly as bad as on the A7SII. It's a different sensor. It's a different product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rungunshoot Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Rolling shutter is also nowhere nearly as bad as on the A7SII. It's a different sensor. It's a different product. It really depends.If you count F1.2 at ISO 3200 low light and a well exposed image (I do) then the FS5 will be clean, as long as you don't mis-grade S-LOG in post and ramp up the black level.ISO 6400 is also good. ISO 12,800 and up better using the A7S II.The FS5 is certainly not a bad low light camera.I don't count super clean ISO 800 to 3200 as bad in low light.Better to compare it to the Blackmagic URSA Mini 4.6K or Red Dragon. Yeah I think the FS5 would be an addition to the A7sii, not a replacement. So maybe my kit bag would have both cameras and a bunch of FE glass. When I'm filming action/daytime/slow-mo I use FS5. For ultra-shallow DOF/lowlight/gimbal work, a7sii (or a7rii). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPC Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 nice writeup. one question...you own(have owned) alot of gear, but I haven`t seen much of your work besides reviews so, are you such an enthusiast or you make a living with your gear?Just what I was wondering too. All I ever see here are little camera test films which, although informative, don't really relate to (my) real-life paid shoots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted January 2, 2016 Super Members Share Posted January 2, 2016 Just what I was wondering too. All I ever see here are little camera test films which, although informative, don't really relate to (my) real-life paid shoots. Cant speak for others but Im not excactly allowed to share footage from work. It belongs to my employer or client.I can only share stuff from home. And eventhough I just finished a 20min doc shot on the bmpcc, bmcc, bmpc4k and lx100 that I own completly, I wont share it because it then looses value when selling it to a network. sudopera and kaylee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagnje Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 I`m very aware of that, because it`s the same for me. but let`s just say that many of EU residents see my work daily but I own very little of my own gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPC Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 I can't share 95% of my stuff either, probably for the same reasons. It's just that reviewer's opinions gain in value for me when I know we are doing similar work, in a similar economic context, faced with similar working challenges and requirements concerning equipment reliability and ROI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Do you guys think that Sony will ever make a FS5 like camera that uses the A7sII sensor?It seems like the dream combo for alot of people that are used to DSLR style shooting, but would love the benefits of NDs, audio, 10 bit, raw out etc in a relatively small package. sandro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rs3d Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 One thing I wonder is the 10bit codec - how well this works in Premiere or After Effects?So far 10bit H264/MP4 is not that common but would be a wonderful addition for sure... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted January 2, 2016 Super Members Share Posted January 2, 2016 I`m very aware of that, because it`s the same for me. but let`s just say that many of EU residents see my work daily but I own very little of my own gear.I used to work in sports broadcasting so pretty much anyone that has seen Rally, Soccer, Track or Tennis has seen my work (even though I was just one in a production chain of hundreds.)I rarely freelance, but even then Im not often required to use my own gear. I usually have them rent something. On a daily basis my employer has always provided the gear. I buy stuff to use for personal projects and as an enthusiast.Its also because I almost immediately started drifting from shooting, reporting and editing towards producing, directing and creating. So having some gear at home and playing around is a way to keep the skills fresh in case I ever quit to start my own or need extra cash.But just to show something, Look at 00:04 in this commercial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Shasha Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 So far I'm finding 10bit to be a bit of a pointless endeavour on the FS5, the 8bit 4K is much better. I am pretty sure they have only stuck it in for marketing purposes Wow, that's really unfortunate. I didn't realise how low the bitrate in 10bit was on the FS5.Hopefully a firmware update pushes it up to 200Mbit - or at least 100Mbit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Looking forward to seeing some footage. I always want to like Sony but their low-mid range camera images aren't my favorite. Hopefully FS5 will look more like the higher end FS7, F55. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 Lakes Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 It almost seems, that "Sony FS5 - why I bought one" is more like a marketing message. The idea of the camera is ok, but at this price, still lacks everything, in order to replace the current tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 The idea of the camera is ok, but at this price, still lacks everything, in order to replace the current tools.This is a bit exaggerated unless you own the FS700 and have the hands of T1000 from terminator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shield3 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 This is a bit exaggerated unless you own the FS700 and have the hands of T1000 from terminator.The FS700 isn't tough to use handheld. At all. Easy in fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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