jcs Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 It's an ok image... solid... but I still think the FS5 is capable of more. 8bit 4K 4:2:0 looks better on the FS5 than the best 8bit 1080p 4:2:2 from the C100 II.How can you say this without doing a side-by-side comparison of both cameras under exactly the same conditions?Sometimes a camera will seem pretty good by itself, but when compared side-by-side to other cameras, things like color and skintones become very apparent- the results may surprise you. bamigoreng and Shield3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graphicnatured Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Looking forward to seeing some footage. I always want to like Sony but their low-mid range camera images aren't my favorite. Hopefully FS5 will look more like the higher end FS7, F55.I totally agree with you on this. The high end Sony cams and the old F35 look fantastic, but then I look at things like Bloom's FS5 film "The Wood Carver" and think skin looks like plastic. I try to find other grading styles and see so much brown and orange-looking footage everywhere. Based on so many with such positives when it comes to A7s, FS5 etc.. I'm still holding out hope that it can make an image that would truly make me happy if I spent the money, but just when I think footage looks decent the same film includes stuff that really doesn't. gatopardo and AaronChicago 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I totally agree with you on this. The high end Sony cams and the old F35 look fantastic, but then I look at things like Bloom's FS5 film "The Wood Carver" and think skin looks like plastic. I try to find other grading styles and see so much brown and orange-looking footage everywhere. Based on so many with such positives when it comes to A7s, FS5 etc.. I'm still holding out hope that it can make an image that would truly make me happy if I spent the money, but just when I think footage looks decent the same film includes stuff that really doesn't.I haven't seen that till now. Damn. He filtered the shit out of that. Hard to judge image quality. austinchimp and graphicnatured 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondini Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 has sony finally made the ultimate vimeo camera test camera? I can't wait to see lots of slow motion shots of grass blowing in the wind or some drab english beach, set to some pirated music. Meanwhile, trying to assess this as a filmmaking camera: all the footage I've seen looks horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted January 3, 2016 Author Administrators Share Posted January 3, 2016 has sony finally made the ultimate vimeo camera test camera? I can't wait to see lots of slow motion shots of grass blowing in the wind or some drab english beach, set to some pirated music. Meanwhile, trying to assess this as a filmmaking camera: all the footage I've seen looks horrible.And your contribution is......... ? graphicnatured and Jn- 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richg101 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 has sony finally made the ultimate vimeo camera test camera? I can't wait to see lots of slow motion shots of grass blowing in the wind or some drab english beach, set to some pirated music. Meanwhile, trying to assess this as a filmmaking camera: all the footage I've seen looks horrible.to quote Ricky Gervais... "It's better to create something that others criticise than to create nothing & criticise others". Mattias Burling, Zach Goodwin, Andrew Reid and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondini Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 And your contribution is......... ?um... my opinion? this is a forum right? Or is this big dicks club and now I have to show you mine? I don't like any of the pictures I've seen come out of this camera. But I'm sure we'll see a lot of test videos from very happy owners who love the specs sheet. Thats my opinion. Pictures are subjective things. They are like seaweed being pushed and pulled in the ocean of peoples preferences and prejudices. I don't care about the specs or even the resolution really. But I care about pictures... I guess in a more esoteric sense. If I was buying a camera to shoot a movie on, I would pick something else. A camera that can reproduce colours, that creates rich, immersive images. The stuff I've seen from this camera looks like flat video with colours like puke.But maybe you'll figure out how to bend it right to get some good results with it, you're a clever guy. Enjoy your camera and I look forward to seeing how you get on with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I like. I don't like. I like. I don't like. I like. I don't like. I like. I don't like. I like. I don't like. I like. I don't like. I like. I don't like. I like. I don't like. I like. I don't like. I like. I don't like.Oh the duality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted January 3, 2016 Author Administrators Share Posted January 3, 2016 If the colours are so 'puke' like, then surely Blondini you will have no problem telling these 1D C and FS5 4K frames apart... VanDaven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 If I had to guess, I'd say the top one is the 1DC? Very close though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted January 3, 2016 Author Administrators Share Posted January 3, 2016 S-LOG and Canon LOG can be matched. In any situation. I'd even say S-LOG has an edge in some cases.It's true Sony have some puke like colour profiles and dreadful camera colours in the past but they are getting better all the time.The FS7 / FS5 / A7R II / A7S II do great Canon-matching colours if you can grade S-LOG without fucking it up. There's a lot of ugly grading out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatopardo Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 There's a huge difference in the green hue ( in the leaves). The last one looks more like the 1DC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondini Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 If the colours are so 'puke' like, then surely Blondini you will have no problem telling these 1D C and FS5 4K frames apart...They're both beautiful! See, I knew you could do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanDaven Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 If the colours are so 'puke' like, then surely Blondini you will have no problem telling these 1D C and FS5 4K frames apart... Very nice, was the FS5 one shot in SLog? Really wondering why there is so much more detail than in the 1DC shot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volker Schmidt Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 hmm, the name of the jpgs says the opposite, but the last one really looks more like a 1DC... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Colour matching skintones is the key... That's the test most people want to see. I'd guess the top one is Sony though, Sony's tend to shoot a bit colder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcs Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Agree top looks more like Sony color, bottom looks more like Canon. Additionally, bottom has shallower DOF; full frame vs Super 35.Shooting a live person is the real test- skintones are the toughest to get right.Here I matched the C300 II to the A7S II: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ulmgc_a39QThe Canon looked great with little work needed, it took a lot more to get the A7S II to match the Canon (still not perfect, but close enough for a test. C300 II has much more detail). That's the point people are making about Canon/ARRI/Red Dragon-(or later): when time is money, the tools which provide the best quality in the least amount of time will be used, even when the tools cost a bit more up front. Over time, the cost is much less due to less time in post. For hobbyists who only shoot tests, for fun, family, etc., this point doesn't really matter: initial cost is more important.Sony is indeed getting better with color, however Canon is still ahead (as is ARRI and Red), especially in challenging light (multiple and/or gapped spectrum sources). The best way to see this is to shoot with both cameras on the same shoots in the same conditions.The C300 II currently has the best skintones + autofocus of any camera at any price. Would love to see ARRI/Red come out with an even better autofocus/assisted-manual focus system. Shield3 and austinchimp 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Mook Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Not as carefully matched or shot as jcs' test (handheld, natural light only), but here's a quick comparison without extensive grading of the A7Rii and 1DC when it comes to skin tones: http://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/18887-a7rii-skin-tones-1dc-quick-compare/ jcs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted January 3, 2016 Author Administrators Share Posted January 3, 2016 hmm, the name of the jpgs says the opposite, but the last one really looks more like a 1DC...You're right, the file names give it away!They look close though don't they, considering 500Mbit 4:2:2 on the 1D C and just 100Mbit 4:2:0 on the FS5.Grading is a powerful tool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Grading is powerful... But it is not a garunteed safety net.I find Sony has a slight blue/magenta cast on skintones... When you warm those skintones to make them more natural, you also warm areas of the scene that then could look unnatural.The gap is getting smaller though... Looking forward to testing the FS5... With raw, it could be a winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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