Super Members Mattias Burling Posted January 4, 2016 Author Super Members Share Posted January 4, 2016 Ive always used the same battery your FS5 has (I guess its the same) on my BMCC and BMPC4K. I suspect it works on the mini as well.No idea how long it would last though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted January 4, 2016 Author Super Members Share Posted January 4, 2016 Quick DR comparison.Was planing to do a complete side by side shootout but the day was just to gorgeous and Ive just moved to a house by the sea. So I aborted and went ice skating instead But a super quick shot.A have shot with the same lens, f4, iso800.I exposed ETTR with the same variable ND.Red Code is switched to Red Log Film and the BMCC Raw to BMDFilm.Then I set the highlights and shadows just bellow clip and above crush using the wave form.Lastly I chose a line in the mid tones and pushed it to the same IRE on all clips.My conclusions,BMCC and R1 both have 13 usable stops.They both have about equal amount of noise but the R1 has a dirtier noise (a positive for me but not the the folks who like it sharp).The Red has a much more pleasing set of colors after balancing. Just like C-Log, Nikon Flat or Bolex. Wouldn't need as much grading to get a certain look.A note on using them,The bcc is so super light with just the top handle.The Red feels so much more "pro" and all of its exposure tools are really nifty.Didn't even turn on Zebras or False Color. The meter, stop light and histogram does a good enough job without cluttering the screen.BMCC Prores LT BMCC 2.5K RawRed One MX 4.5K R28Red One MX 4.5K R42 Ed_David 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvertonesx24 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Nice look. Honestly, with the prime set worth probably about $1500 by itself, I'd definitely pick up a ready-to-shoot Red for $2500 even with the major downsides, even if just for the learning experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted January 4, 2016 Author Super Members Share Posted January 4, 2016 Nice look. Honestly, with the prime set worth probably about $1500 by itself, I'd definitely pick up a ready-to-shoot Red for $2500 even with the major downsides, even if just for the learning experience.If you are in the US, it migt still be for sale. He never bumped to say its sold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted January 6, 2016 Author Super Members Share Posted January 6, 2016 Had a quick play today. It was -17C so I mostly stayed in. Got borred and played with the exposure of the R1. Its really not that heavy when striped down.Did a quick comparison to the BMCC as well. Think the Blackmagic did alright besides the moire on Gunpowders cheek. graphicnatured, Volker Schmidt, Liam and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agolex Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Total beast, that thing! Mattias Burling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_David Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I second with Mattias decision for a red one mx . I own two of them, and three sony f35 - about to put up a test - f35 vs f3 vs red one mx vs a7s ii The Red One MX, Ebrahim, has a pretty good sensor. I also think of it as 12 stops. But has really good resolution.It also has the best looking skintone out of the bat in daylight than, in my eyes, the Red Dragon sensor. I think Shane Hurlbut did a comparison of how each optical low-pass filter affects skintones.I haven't done tests to see, but I notice that the motion on the red one mx feels better than the Epic MX - also David Fincher agrees with me and Mattias, he said he prefers the look of the Red One MX over the Epic - on his interview for AC about girl with the dragon tattoo.I used the BM4k and wasn't a fan of its highlight roll off - the CION doesn't look that appealing to me.The Red ONE MX is a workhorse. Mine has been going for over 2 years now after going thru some long, intense shoots. In -20 F weather in north Alaska. Also it has less fan noise issues than the Red Epic.It's compression is pretty good - it's clean and sharp and has nice motion.Red Customer support is HORRIBLE! If you break anything, even a SSD reader, they won't do anything but charge you. And reduser - a lot of them including the President are really mean to people on their boards.So they are a mixed bag.I still want to do a red one mx vs alexa mini vs fs7 vs f55 vs ursa 4.6k test vs c300 ii test if I ever have time or money - maybe someone else can do it. TheRenaissanceMan, Mattias Burling, neosushi and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted January 6, 2016 Administrators Share Posted January 6, 2016 What do you like best out of the F35 and Red One ed? Well that turned out nicely.To say the least!!You better start hiding your RED ONE otherwise it will be $10k by February What lens was used on the R1... the Nikon 17-35? Mattias Burling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neosushi Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I second with Mattias decision for a red one mx . I own two of them, and three sony f35 - about to put up a test - f35 vs f3 vs red one mx vs a7s ii The Red One MX, Ebrahim, has a pretty good sensor. I also think of it as 12 stops. But has really good resolution.It also has the best looking skintone out of the bat in daylight than, in my eyes, the Red Dragon sensor. I think Shane Hurlbut did a comparison of how each optical low-pass filter affects skintones.I haven't done tests to see, but I notice that the motion on the red one mx feels better than the Epic MX - also David Fincher agrees with me and Mattias, he said he prefers the look of the Red One MX over the Epic - on his interview for AC about girl with the dragon tattoo.I used the BM4k and wasn't a fan of its highlight roll off - the CION doesn't look that appealing to me.The Red ONE MX is a workhorse. Mine has been going for over 2 years now after going thru some long, intense shoots. In -20 F weather in north Alaska. Also it has less fan noise issues than the Red Epic.It's compression is pretty good - it's clean and sharp and has nice motion.Red Customer support is HORRIBLE! If you break anything, even a SSD reader, they won't do anything but charge you. And reduser - a lot of them including the President are really mean to people on their boards.So they are a mixed bag.I still want to do a red one mx vs alexa mini vs fs7 vs f55 vs ursa 4.6k test vs c300 ii test if I ever have time or money - maybe someone else can do it. I would be very interested to see the match between the Red One MX vs Ursa Mini 4.6k... We have yet to see some filmic image out of the Ursa mini... but maybe in the proper hands / context... : ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_David Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 What do you like best out of the F35 and Red One ed?Well that turned out nicely.To say the least!!You better start hiding your RED ONE otherwise it will be $10k by February What lens was used on the R1... the Nikon 17-35?The F35 looks the most natural, like it was shot on 35mm film. It pops - it gets the blue highlights in skintones right - it gets the motion right. It handles light like film handles light.But the Red One has a certain feel that is also quite beautiful - as you see in Mattias's test - there is something lovely about it. But, the f35 handles color as naturally as possible, so I would go for the F35 for most stuff. Unless well , if the director likes the red one look - and some days I like it better. Depends I guess on the project, but I wouldn't rule either out. I guess, for darker, sci-fi or horror type stuff, the Red One feels really good.For drama, narrative, historical, indie, etc, the F35 feels the best. Cinegain and Mattias Burling 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhessel Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 If you haven't already tried the technique in this link with your F35 footage Ed you really should give it a shot, along with the color chart method it gives the best neutral grade for the F35 of any method I have tried. The normal color chart method is good to but I have found it adds too much contrast to the highlights at least in my opinion. It is very easy the only real downside is since it is ACES most luts will not work correctly but Filmconvert seems to be fine.http://www.filmscientist.com/blog/2015/01/29/film-scientist-aces-workflow-revisited/In the project settings switch it from YRGB to Davinci Aces.In the color manangement tab select either Rec709 or RGB for the ODT depending on what monitor you use.On the footage in the media pool assign the lut from the link above.If you want to use the color chart correction make sure the input gamma is linear, target gamma is linear and target colorspace is ACES and that is it. For the first time with any version of Slog I feel like I am getting a truely neutral starting point. Ed_David and IronFilm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer5 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 for darker, sci-fi or horror type stuff, the Red One feels really good.For drama, narrative, historical, indie, etc, the F35 feels the best. Red One: F35: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted January 7, 2016 Author Super Members Share Posted January 7, 2016 What do you like best out of the F35 and Red One ed?Well that turned out nicely.To say the least!!You better start hiding your RED ONE otherwise it will be $10k by February What lens was used on the R1... the Nikon 17-35?Its like when I do a "Hey checkout this $10 lens". Then its not so $10 anymore Yes, just the 17-35. Im getting the 35-70/2.8 today. Bought one for $150. Next I think I will ad a Rokkinon 24 or 35mm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graphicnatured Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Thanks Mattias and Ed. These posts are so helpful at the moment. Mattias Burling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvertonesx24 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 If you are in the US, it migt still be for sale. He never bumped to say its sold.Hmm, well checking it out further, that one in particular is a Red M, not a MX. Seems to make a big difference, and hence why it is so cheap.http://shootwithred.com/2010/03/20/mx-vs-m-red-results/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_David Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 yes aces - i need to get to aces Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted January 8, 2016 Author Super Members Share Posted January 8, 2016 Hmm, well checking it out further, that one in particular is a Red M, not a MX. Seems to make a big difference, and hence why it is so cheap.http://shootwithred.com/2010/03/20/mx-vs-m-red-results/ Ahh makes sence. Still a nice kit though with the lenses."Che" was shot on the M and most of it looks pretty sweet. Since I knew one other guy that just bought one I thought an FB group was needed https://www.facebook.com/groups/172887176403138/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted January 8, 2016 Author Super Members Share Posted January 8, 2016 BTW, remembered seeing a cool macro video shot on the Red One years ago. Might have been the first time I ever heard of it.Rewatched it, still looks good. And it turns out the guy is now making for example the latest Volvo commercial which is just epic.I recently took a University class in marketing and that commercial was talked about in every single example. So I guess he is doing great.Not saying its the cameras credit, but still, kinda cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechanicalEYE Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 If anyone's looking into buying a Ursa mini 4k EF, I may have a slightly used one for sale. It wouldn't come with Resolve dongle, but It would come with 2 Lexar 128gb Cfast cards, card reader, Hypercore slim battery, charger, BMD v-mount plate, power cord, and Box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRenaissanceMan Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 1 hour ago, mechanicalEYE said: If anyone's looking into buying a Ursa mini 4k EF, I may have a slightly used one for sale. It wouldn't come with Resolve dongle, but It would come with 2 Lexar 128gb Cfast cards, card reader, Hypercore slim battery, charger, BMD v-mount plate, power cord, and Box. Wrong topic. Post this in the sticky "Gear For Sale" topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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