Don Kotlos Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 http://petapixel.com/2016/01/06/kodak-is-bringing-back-the-super-8-as-a-film-camera-with-digital-features/http://www.newsshooter.com/2016/01/06/kodak-goes-back-to-the-future-and-announces-a-new-super-8-film-camera/http://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-DGB-44507http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/behind-screen/ces-jj-abrams-backs-kodak-852128 richg101 and Dean 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzynormal Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Well, I'll say this, there's a huge difference between an embraced novelty and a revival. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted January 6, 2016 Super Members Share Posted January 6, 2016 Havent read everything yet but it kinda looks like a Logmar type thing. If so and $2000 or less I will buy it instantly.S8 is cheap, easy to process and scan at home. The quality out of a goood s8 is nice. But the Logmar with a registration pin is something else. kaylee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I don't think it will have the extensive features the Logmar has. According to one of the above linked articles, the rollout price will be between 450 and 750 and Kodak was never known for having a rich in features Super 8 camera.But who knows, it could be a good niche market for them.The question will really be audio and how/if they incorporate it. They are advertising that they will process the film and deliver a projectable and digital copy for 50 to 60 bucks, unless they are going to reintroduce super 8 sound film, or provide an SD slot and offer an audio synch during the conversion, I assume it will be silent.I would be more interested in a Kodak digital super 8 camera that shoots proper HD Raw, something similar in style to the Chinon Bellami, but better designed with semi-pro use in mind. I know little about sensor technology, but I assume one of their existing sensors could handle it.But either way it is a niche camera, so keeping cost down would be paramount.It would be cool to have a built in LUT/preset called Kodachrome 40. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted January 6, 2016 Author Share Posted January 6, 2016 I would be more interested in a Kodak digital super 8 camera that shoots proper HD Raw, something similar in style to the Chinon Bellami, but better designed with semi-pro use in mind. I know little about sensor technology, but I assume one of their existing sensors could handle it.I was thinking of the same. There are some nice new sensors out there like IMX249 and IMX174 from Sony that are cheap enough and offer good dynamic range and global shutter. Although I really like the BM micro I feel that it is was not meant for handheld shooting. Some more coverage:http://www.newsshooter.com/2016/01/06/kodak-goes-back-to-the-future-and-announces-a-new-super-8-film-camera/ mercer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted January 6, 2016 Administrators Share Posted January 6, 2016 So not only has he been rehashing the first star wars movie down to every last detail, JJ wants to bring back Super 8 from the 70's.Got any NEW ideas?!And Kodak offloading their superb sensor division was a huge error.Sod 4K... I am all for an analogue look, a proper 2K camera with 13 stops usable dynamic range, but this just seems like a really retrograde way of going about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted January 6, 2016 Super Members Share Posted January 6, 2016 I would be more interested in a Kodak digital super 8 camera that shoots proper HD Raw, something similar in style to the Chinon Bellami, but better designed with semi-pro use in mind. That is a D16 with a super-8 lens.Kodak CCD, Raw, Pro audio of the highest level, In camera LUTs coming in firmware. And you would be able to use it for s16 as well. mercer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I was thinking of the same. There are some nice new sensors out there like IMX249 and IMX174 from Sony that are cheap enough and offer good dynamic range and global shutter. Although I really like the BM micro I feel that it is was not meant for handheld shooting. Some more coverage:http://www.newsshooter.com/2016/01/06/kodak-goes-back-to-the-future-and-announces-a-new-super-8-film-camera/I will say the Chinon Bellami is a nice looking camera, but not good enough for 1000 bucks. If it was selling for 250, then I would probably have one. Thanks for the link, it cleared up the audio question. Of course, I'm not sure why they are using crystal synch... I get retro, but do I really want to have a nagra to get some audio? I really think it would have been a better idea to develop a hybrid digital/analog camera. Throw in an SD card and a Super 8 cassette and give me the best of both worlds... Or one or the other.Whatever, it's still a cool novelty and if they get the price down in their second run... As they are claiming they will... I might grab one. Don Kotlos 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted January 6, 2016 Author Share Posted January 6, 2016 That is a D16 with a super-8 lens.Kodak CCD, Raw, Pro audio of the highest level, In camera LUTs coming in firmware. And you would be able to use it for s16 as well. while the d16 can produce some great footage and it offers great support, it is still a bit too expensive and too big for what i had in mind. A bellami type of camera literally fits in your pocket with a lens (but quality is awful). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 That is a D16 with a super-8 lens.Kodak CCD, Raw, Pro audio of the highest level, In camera LUTs coming in firmware. And you would be able to use it for s16 as well. Yeah, I am super jealous of you and your D16. If I was a wealthier man, the D16 would be first on my list. There just isn't a camera like it. Hell I'd be happy with the B&W version. But I would love to see Kodak come out with a Raw HD Super 8 camera... Maybe max it out at 720p with a 4:3 mask for the purist... For around a grand or less... I doubt it will happen, but it would be cool. while the d16 can produce some great footage and it offers great support, it is still a bit too expensive and too big for what i had in mind. A bellami type of camera literally fits in your pocket with a lens (but quality is awful).Yeah, the Bellami image quality is horrific. The Harinezumi looks about as good for only $150 bucks... But the Bellami is a wicked design and that chinon lens looks nice. Wish they made some longer lengths I could try on my G7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy Jones Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 What is the ISO rating? I haven't seen that in any of the articles. Is it UHD or true 4K? Does it do RAW? Maybe with a ML hack. Is the hdmi out clean? Or maybe it's sdi. I've never seen a camera announcement with so little info.EDIT: sorry, I'm such an idiot. I just saw the image and it doesn't really look very filmic to me. No longer interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Ashcraft Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 What is the ISO rating? I haven't seen that in any of the articles. Is it UHD or true 4K? Does it do RAW? Maybe with a ML hack. Is the hdmi out clean? Or maybe it's sdi. I've never seen a camera announcement with so little info.Not sure if joking :| Jonesy Jones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisAK Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 If you insist on buying other people's memories, I'll sell you mine. My genuine Sankyo Super-8, INCLUDING 150' of readymade nostalgia: pre-shot, pre-developed, pre-gunked and pre-shredded through the merciless gate of an 18 fps projector.* *Merciless projector not included. Additional 50' memory-modules sold separately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted January 6, 2016 Author Share Posted January 6, 2016 So a 50 feet roll that gives you 2.5 min of recording with development and scanning is $50 to $75 (just the film is $35). Add the initial price of the camera at $400-$750, and it makes little sense. Its more expensive than shooting RAW with the BM pocket and buying a new SD every time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted January 6, 2016 Super Members Share Posted January 6, 2016 So a 50 feet roll that gives you 2.5 min of recording with development and scanning is $50 to $75 (just the film is $35). Add the initial price of the camera at $400-$750, and it makes little sense. Its more expensive than shooting RAW with the BM pocket and buying a new SD every time! Developing at home i easier than making mac n cheese and costs a fraction.Besides, imo, you dont shoot s8 as an alternative. Its its own thing. Btw, I shot some s35 s8 the other week Rudolf and richg101 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted January 6, 2016 Author Share Posted January 6, 2016 Besides, imo, you dont shoot s8 as an alternative. Its its own thing.Thats how I used to shoot RAW Btw, I shot some s35 s8 the other week Where do you find the time to play with all these nice toys Matthias? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenEricson Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Shot on super 8 and seriously beautiful. Slow motion, highlight roll off, color. It's all there folks. mercer, sudopera, Rudolf and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Shot on super 8 and seriously beautiful. Slow motion, highlight roll off, color. It's all there folks.Yeah, that is gorgeous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tugela Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 So a 50 feet roll that gives you 2.5 min of recording with development and scanning is $50 to $75 (just the film is $35). Add the initial price of the camera at $400-$750, and it makes little sense. Its more expensive than shooting RAW with the BM pocket and buying a new SD every time! Except that you can reuse your SD, whereas reusing a 50 foot roll works less well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richg101 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Except that you can reuse your SD, whereas reusing a 50 foot roll works less well but if you can't reuse your film it'll mean you make damn sure what you shoot is worthwhile. Rudolf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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