MountneerMan Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I would rather not take sides. I support what both of you are working on and at this point they are quite different mods that appeal to different peoples needs. Vasile is working on a lean and clean mod with only a few features(right now its just bit-rate) and Kinoseed is working on squeezing as much as possible out of these two amazing cameras (witch to date has been amazing what he has been able to get out of them). Having said that It doesn't really matter what bill gates stole from Steve jobs or what Steve stole from bill gates they both have two different products for two different demographics. Besides I would hope that if someone comes up with a better way of doing something or something super useful the other would use it as well. You guys are both publishing as open source don't forget. Quote I often compare open source to science. To where science took this whole notion of developing ideas in the open and improving on other peoples' ideas and making it into what science is today and the incredible advances that we have had. And I compare that to witchcraft and alchemy, where openness was something you didn't do. - Linus Torvalds Full disclosure, All I really care about at this time is the bit-rate hack so I am leaning towards vasile's stripped down mod at this point in time but I really like what kinoseed is doing as well. As stated above my preference would be a world were everyone could get along and work together to exchanging ideas, even if they are working on separate projects/mods. unfortunately I know that is not really the world we live in . iamoui, tokhee, Parker and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidzrevil Posted May 31, 2016 Author Share Posted May 31, 2016 I aint taking sides on this neither. They have their differences and if i was serious enough for them to split, whatever. I just want to see both parties keep up the good work. We have one version of the hack that appeals to the people who only cared for the bitrate and another for people who want extra features. Maybe this will become a competition to see who's can offer the features to us that stand out. Maybe Vasile comes out with RAW 4k or 1080 and kinoseed comes out with a way to disable NR, who knows. I appreciate the work from both parties nonetheless. I feel like they did for the NX1 what ML did for Canon and both parties need more credit than they are getting. random but I am stillllllll waiting for @Andrew Reid to review the hack and bring more attention to these guys work. That could lead to a 16-50s or something to compensate for their work and keep morale high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nougat Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 As much as I dislike the KS and Vasile breakup, you can't deny that competition is the single greatest driver of innovation (e.g., space race, microchips, mobile phone technology, etc..) Teamwork is overrated KS + Vasile 4ever MountneerMan, lebigmac and kidzrevil 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmyturntable Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 As someone who has yet to install the hacks...it would be nice for Andrew to install them and spotlight these developments with a proper article. You can find tons of information / reviews of the ML hacks for Cannon...all of this for the NX1 is found on two forums. Since I also purchased Andrew's NX1 guide, I think that should be updated with at least a summary of the possibilities that are now possible and how that can lead to a better image. MountneerMan, lucabutera, Marco Tecno and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidzrevil Posted May 31, 2016 Author Share Posted May 31, 2016 Im writing my own guide. May even put it out for free, I've been testing the nx1 hack or no hack for a while now. Came up with some damn good in cam settings and how to expose to benefit from the increase in bitrate. I document my findings you can find it on my vimeo.com/kidzrevil @timmyturntable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MountneerMan Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 29 minutes ago, kidzrevil said: Im writing my own guide. May even put it out for free, I've been testing the nx1 hack or no hack for a while now. Came up with some damn good in cam settings and how to expose to benefit from the increase in bitrate. I document my findings you can find it on my vimeo.com/kidzrevil @timmyturntable I have thought about putting together a video in Dave Dugdale style to talk about the bit-rate hack. I have even wrote down some notes of things to test/discuss one day when I was just sitting around. I think I am subconsciously waiting for someone else todo it so I don't have to lol. kidzrevil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Tecno Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 1 hour ago, timmyturntable said: As someone who has yet to install the hacks...it would be nice for Andrew to install them and spotlight these developments with a proper article. You can find tons of information / reviews of the ML hacks for Cannon...all of this for the NX1 is found on two forums. Since I also purchased Andrew's NX1 guide, I think that should be updated with at least a summary of the possibilities that are now possible and how that can lead to a better image. I had asked Andrew to test amd comment on the hacks, several weeks ago... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vasile Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 23 hours ago, iamoui said: No this is with one of Kinoseeds mod packs for 1.40 firmware. I didn't see any reason to upgrade to 1.41. I use an iPhone, and I love the bit rate hack! edit: wait, what new hack for 1.41? Vasile's? edit2: just read through the dpreview thread on vasile's new hack for 1.41 and saw that someone claimed to have true 120fps at 180mbps. Guess I'm going to have to test it tomorrow! You may want to wait some more unless you want to test again later on. After I get back the burner camera from repairs I will try to put together an even smaller mod, which should have less resource consumption (read: memory) than what I have out now. And I also intend to break the bluetooth dependency but this is not news. In general you should keep an eye on work in progress and on work finished or abandoned. The best place for requests is (AFAIAC) to add to this on github. Marco Tecno, MountneerMan, kidzrevil and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidzrevil Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 5 hours ago, vasile said: You may want to wait some more unless you want to test again later on. After I get back the burner camera from repairs I will try to put together an even smaller mod, which should have less resource consumption (read: memory) than what I have out now. And I also intend to break the bluetooth dependency but this is not news. In general you should keep an eye on work in progress and on work finished or abandoned. The best place for requests is (AFAIAC) to add to this on github. This got me sooooooo excited ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandro Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 We should make a first post summary cause I'm so confused... I lost track who is who and what are the difference between hacks. lucabutera 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Mcdermott Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 from the top of my head, Vasile has his own hack and kinoseed has his own hack, both of them have worked with otto . there is a guy also called chant that was doing some work at the start, but not sure if he is still doing it. amazing work by everyone involved, I cant wait to try it out, kidzrevil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto K Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 FWIW, we seem to now have a method to make bitrate mods permanent (in hibernation image) so independent of Bluetooth and similar. But this currently applies only to bitrate mods (but should apply to 2.5k on NX500 as well). Other mods still depend on Bluetooth. We are all working on further improvements. See here for more information https://github.com/ottokiksmaler/nx500_nx1_modding/blob/master/Permanent_bitrate_mods.md vaga, Marco Tecno, outerbeat and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Tecno Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Never heard chant anymore. His ideas were very cool, but...I'm afraid that they just remained...ideas. Otto, this is very interesting. Does it apply to nx1 as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto K Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 No reason why it wouldn't, but I have no way to test it on NX1. MountneerMan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vasile Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 36 minutes ago, Otto K said: No reason why it wouldn't, but I have no way to test it on NX1. They should apply to NX1 but involve EXTREMELY dangerous changes. DO NOT attempt to do them on your own unless you know what you are doing - a mistake WILL require you to send the camera for service. Why? Because you change a library that is required by di-camera-app. For 2.5K you also change the di-camera-app itself. A mistake and di-camera-app will crash leaving you without user interface. So just don't. Wait a bit please Marco Tecno, BopBill, Pavel Mašek and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto K Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 @vasile is correct - if you are not sure what you are doing - don't do it. Added a large warning to github. Marco Tecno, MountneerMan and kidzrevil 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parker Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Hey guys check this out! Apparently UHD 60p is now possible!!! 1D(N)x-ii in all of our pockets. http://***URL removed***/forums/thread/4011837 I really hope this is legit. I downloaded the clip and threw it into premiere just to see, and it does appear to be a true 3840x2160 file playing back at 60p. This is huge. MountneerMan, Marco Tecno and vaga 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Tecno Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Did you try playing it at 30 or 24fps to see if it is real slowmotion and not duplicated frames? Is the quality as good as uhd@30? MountneerMan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parker Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Yeah I put it in a 24p timeline and it slowed down just like it should, then I changed it to 1080 and the 4k scaled just like it should, it's kind of hard to judge based on the video but once I get home I'm going to do my own testing. MountneerMan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidi Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 8 hours ago, Parker said: Hey guys check this out! Apparently UHD 60p is now possible!!! 1D(N)x-ii in all of our pockets. http://***URL removed***/forums/thread/4011837 I really hope this is legit. I downloaded the clip and threw it into premiere just to see, and it does appear to be a true 3840x2160 file playing back at 60p. This is huge. Sorry not a real 60p every 10th or so frame is duplicated and also this: http://***URL removed***/forums/post/57859659 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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