Cinegain Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Not just you. I think it's really impressive and might just be the idiotproof thing I was looking for since the Nebula 4000 kinda took off with this concept. Steady, fluid. This really is the one? Fredrik Lyhne 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jase Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 2 hours ago, Fredrik Lyhne said: Is it just me or does this look amazing?! Looks good, but stil you got those slight vertical bounces (watch the fence at 1:27) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 That's with any of these. They aren't 4-axis stabilizers after all (not that the Nebula 4200 looks great, and all the other projects were abandoned). As long as you do the ninja walk and know your gear, you can make it work really well. Especially after some practice and getting to know its behaviour. These are just the initial tests... imagine the results after a while with one of these... Fredrik Lyhne 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy Jones Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 3 hours ago, Fredrik Lyhne said: Is it just me or does this look amazing?! As beautiful and enchanting as Chinese symbols are, I can't read them. Would be great if someone would translate. Footage from this and Dave Dugdale looks great, however, both are using EXTREMELY wide lenses. My guess is that they're somewhere in the 20-27mm 35mm equivalent fov range. Doesn't look bad, but I would love to see more tests around the 35mm fov range. Fredrik, if you're taking requests, that's what I would I would ask for. Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredrik Lyhne Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 2 hours ago, Jonesy Jones said: As beautiful and enchanting as Chinese symbols are, I can't read them. Would be great if someone would translate. Footage from this and Dave Dugdale looks great, however, both are using EXTREMELY wide lenses. My guess is that they're somewhere in the 20-27mm 35mm equivalent fov range. Doesn't look bad, but I would love to see more tests around the 35mm fov range. Fredrik, if you're taking requests, that's what I would I would ask for. Thanks in advance. I learn a lot on this forum so it would be nice to return the favour if I can! Check out this video with A6300 + 35mm. Also check out his channel and Pilotfly's channel for more footage. I guess for walking the wider the better, but for everything else it looks promising! 3 hours ago, jase said: Looks good, but stil you got those slight vertical bounces (watch the fence at 1:27) What Cinegain said. That's also a quite extreme situation and I don't think it would be that noticable if the fence wasn't there. I'm not sure, but I think you would need a large rig on rails (don't know what it's called) or a steadycam and west to get that shot perfect. For size and prize I can't think of anything to match all the features of the H2. Can you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Anastasi Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 that's Japanese guys - (I've been living in China for the last five years and still cannot read or even speak this Chinese Mandarin language, way too bloody hard!) Jonesy Jones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf33d Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 I still have my Pilotfly H1+ to sell if anyone is interested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy Jones Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 51 minutes ago, Fredrik Lyhne said: I learn a lot on this forum so it would be nice return the favour if I can! Check out this video with A6300 + 35mm. Also check out his channel and Pilotfly's channel for more footage. I guess for walking the wider the better, but for everything else it looks promising! So, to my knowledge the a6300 has a crop factor of around 1.5, making that 35mm lens more like a 50mm fov. So while encouraging that a little motion with a longer lens is possible, it would be great to see what a fov of 35mm looks like. So something like a 20-24mm on that camera would be great. I hope I am not sounding demanding. If you don't have a combo like that don't worry about it, but I see myself hoping to shoot with a fov somewhere between 30-35mm, and it would be great to know how easy this is with this gimbal. Thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredrik Lyhne Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 1 hour ago, Jonesy Jones said: So, to my knowledge the a6300 has a crop factor of around 1.5, making that 35mm lens more like a 50mm fov. So while encouraging that a little motion with a longer lens is possible, it would be great to see what a fov of 35mm looks like. So something like a 20-24mm on that camera would be great. I hope I am not sounding demanding. If you don't have a combo like that don't worry about it, but I see myself hoping to shoot with a fov somewhere between 30-35mm, and it would be great to know how easy this is with this gimbal. Thanks again. I'm sure some other reviewers will make that happen before I get my hands on it. Anyways I will let you know when I have it and make any test you want. I'm interested to see how it works too, so it won't be a hassle at all. Good for me to get feedback on the footage as well. I use a GH4 and have native m43 lenses from 12mm to 100mm. Lot's of fov and mm in your post... If I understand correctly you want to see footage shot in 30-35mm fov (full frame), meaning 15mm - 17mm in m43? I have the 12-35mm zoom and the Pana Leica 15mm, 25mm 42,5mm and will test them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy Jones Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 44 minutes ago, Fredrik Lyhne said: Lot's of fov and mm in your post... If I understand correctly you want to see footage shot in 30-35mm fov (full frame), meaning 15mm - 17mm in m43? I have the 12-35mm zoom and the Pana Leica 15mm, 25mm 42,5mm and will test them all. Yep. Exactly. Thanks man. That'll be very useful. Sometimes it's more useful to see tests by folks that can answer questions. But I'll check out the other reviews too for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomHaig Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 On 19/03/2016 at 0:42 PM, Fredrik Lyhne said: @ThomHaig In Dave Dugdales review he states that it's not working with the GH4 and 12-35mm. He did review a pre-production model though. Might work with the G7. Send OwlDolly an email ask what they recommend. Personally I would get the DS1 between the two models as a lot of people says it's great. I haven't researched the MS1. I opted for Pilotfly H2 myself, which is about the same size as DS1, even though I'm using a GH4 with native lenses. Thanks for the info, Fredrik. I found an MS1 pretty cheap. The G7 + 12-35mm comes within it's weight limit, so hopefully ought to do the job.I think the main practical difference is that it might not function in inverted mode. I'll give it ago and post how I get along here. The weight limit being what it is, I'll be limited almost exclusively to micro 4/3 lenses since they're so compact. jase and Fredrik Lyhne 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jase Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 8 hours ago, ThomHaig said: I found an MS1 pretty cheap. more than one? Would you mind sharing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomHaig Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 16 hours ago, jase said: more than one? Would you mind sharing? I got it from ebay,just looked to share the link, but it looks like the listing has either expired or they're sold out. I'm UK based, and the MS1's were being sold in Belgium, so no import tax. They also took VAT off when you provide a registered VAT number, which I was able to do. With the VAT removed, it came to £360. Here's hoping it does the job when it comes through! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jase Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 After watching a couple of reviews of both the Pilotfly H2 and Beholder M/DS1 - what is it exactly that makes the H2 better other than the increased payload? Am i missing sth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 32 minutes ago, jase said: After watching a couple of reviews of both the Pilotfly H2 and Beholder M/DS1 - what is it exactly that makes the H2 better other than the increased payload? Am i missing sth? I'd been struggling with that. Supposedly the H2 has longer battery life, but even that can vary dramatically. Battery is in-built, which kills the deal for me, especially since I need spare when I'm in the field. I decided to go with the DS1 this week. So far consistently good reviews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredrik Lyhne Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 19 hours ago, jase said: After watching a couple of reviews of both the Pilotfly H2 and Beholder M/DS1 - what is it exactly that makes the H2 better other than the increased payload? Am i missing sth? I'm not sure there's is a massive difference. Other than battery life and payload, the H2 has encoders. For me the H2 was just a little bit more expensive due to free shipping and expensive shipping on the DS1 (to Norway). The H2 just seems a little bit more refined with all the right features (for me), but maybe the biggest reason I ordered one was the optional 2-hand handle. The DS1 seems like a great option though. I guess we know more when Dave Dugdales' review is out, or any one else for that matter. Shipping started yesterday so we will have more answers soon... The new models are coming so fast since the Nebula 4000, so my advice would be too not buy unless you feel the price and features are right (obviously!). Also the H2 is for DSLR's so there's probably gonna be a smaller (cheaper?) version within the next 6 months... who knows! ricardo_sousa11 and Cinegain 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Ma Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 On 3/20/2016 at 11:08 PM, jase said: Looks good, but stil you got those slight vertical bounces (watch the fence at 1:27) A 3 axis gimbal will not stabilize the vertical axis. You can try to walk more level which isn't too hard to do compared to trying to stabilize the pitch or roll axis by hand. But if you're looking for a slider on rails effect, it'll probably never look as good as a shot done on a slider/rails/dolly. markr041 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricardo_sousa11 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 2 hours ago, Fredrik Lyhne said: I'm not sure there's is a massive difference. Other than battery life and payload, the H2 has encoders. For me the H2 was just a little bit more expensive due to free shipping and expensive shipping on the DS1 (to Norway). The H2 just seems a little bit more refined with all the right features (for me), but maybe the biggest reason I ordered one was the optional 2-hand handle. The DS1 seems like a great option though. I guess we know more when Dave Dugdales' review is out, or any one else for that matter. Shipping started yesterday so we will have more answers soon... The new models are coming so fast since the Nebula 4000, so my advice would be too not buy unless you feel the price and features are right (obviously!). Also the H2 is for DSLR's so there's probably gonna be a smaller (cheaper?) version within the next 6 months... who knows! where did you buy it from, that ships to Europe ? Am also trying to get one, either the DS1 or the H2.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 2nd batch has -10% discount. International on: http://copter-rc.com and within the EU: http://pilotfly.de . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredrik Lyhne Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 2 hours ago, ricardo_sousa11 said: where did you buy it from, that ships to Europe ? Am also trying to get one, either the DS1 or the H2.. I bought from the international site so I could pay in USD which is cheaper for me. You can preorder at BH also at 996$ but the 2-hand handle is 259$ vs 199$ at http://copter-rc.com/en/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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