kidzrevil Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Have ya'll seen this ? Amazing piece of work the editing is incredible. Ever since Watchtower of Turkey I've wondered how are these transitions done. I know this simply can't be expert cinematography it has to be an effect. Does anyone know how you can do these type of transitions in Adobe Premiere ? Is there specific software you need to create these looks ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo43 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 They cut on motion. Follow similar motion either by creating it in post or match motion from clip to clip. Hope that helps... Liam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidzrevil Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share Posted February 28, 2016 13 minutes ago, mojo43 said: They cut on motion. Follow similar motion either by creating it in post or match motion from clip to clip. Hope that helps... How do they do the zoom in and out effect ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 yeah, there are a few masters of this style, it does look awesome. a lot of cutting on action, a lot of zooms in and out in post and messing with speed, some wipes, especially between the last few shots. I'm no pro, but that's what I'm seeing. feel like good resolution 60p would be pretty invaluable for this style while shooting, along getting a wide shot and then a closer shot of the same thing. and then a fair amount of motion tracking in post. 4 minutes ago, kidzrevil said: How do they do the zoom in and out effect ? might be like a digital zoom on both clips along with a fast dissolve transition? kidzrevil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo43 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, kidzrevil said: How do they do the zoom in and out effect ? You can do it in two ways.... 1) In post you ramp a post zoom in and the cut to another shot that is zoom in and stops (in 4k you won't see degradation of the zoom in) 2) You do it in each shot. Typically what people do is shoot a clip and then zoom out. Take it again, zoom in. Take it again pan left, then again pan right. Tilt up and then down. Then you have all options to work with in post. kidzrevil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Punk Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Effect can be done in After Effects...take the last few frames from shot 'A' and keyframe a quick zoom or whip pan type move, whilst parenting the move to the next incoming shot layer - revealing shot 'B' using a keyframed mask and/or simple dissolve that helps blend the shots together. Adding motion blur to the compositions layers seals the deal...as it blends (effectively smudges) the transition into a fluid looking shot continuation. Results work better when using 4k footage or higher (but not essential since post motion blur can hide 'blowup' artifacts) , as you can re-frame/zoom without revealing resolution jump when delivering for HD. Shots that purposely have real intro or outro camera moves work best (such as whip pans)...but it is possible to simulate that in post. You could kind of do a simplified version in Premiere using inbuilt effects, but it may not look very good...best to do these effects in After Effects or Nuke where it's easier to control motion curves and animate masks etc. You can see in the frame grabs below where the incoming shot is being quickly dissolved to or being revealed with a custom mask, whilst the post zoom or pan is happening...enabling the motion blur on the parented layers blends everything together. Liam, kidzrevil and kaylee 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Hyperlapse too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidzrevil Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share Posted February 28, 2016 22 minutes ago, Hans Punk said: Effect can be done in After Effects...take last few frames from shot 'A' and keyframe a zoom or whip pan type move, whilst parenting move the next incoming shot layer - revealing shot 'B' using a keyframed mask that helps blend the shots together. Adding motion blur to the compositions layers seals the deal...as it blends (effectively smudges) the transition into a fluid looking shot continuation. Result work better when using 4k footage or higher, as you can re-frame/zoom without revealing resolution jump when delivering for HD. Shots that purposely have real intro or outro camera moves work best (such as whip pans)...but it is possible to simulate that in post. You could kind of do a simplified version in Premiere using inbuilt effects, but it would not look so pretty...best to do these effects in After Effects or Nuke. I suck at after effects ! Wish there was a plugin for premiere but either way this is good info ! Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Punk Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Here is kind of a workaround for a kind of similar whip pan effect in Premiere...but in After Effects to do this effect takes about 2 seconds and you get a much better result with much more convincing motion blur, which is mostly what these transition types are dependant on to appear convincing and smooth. You can see that for whip-pan transitions (and if not familiar with AE) Premiere is better suited at simply dissolving between two real whip-pans captured in camera. Any more elaborate transitions (especially punch zooms) I'd go straight to AE or Nuke to get transition results identical (or better) to the example video at the start of this thread. kidzrevil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidzrevil Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share Posted February 28, 2016 23 minutes ago, Hans Punk said: Here is kind of a workaround for a kind of similar whip pan effect in Premiere...but in After Effects to do this effect takes about 2 seconds and you get a much better result with much more convincing motion blur, which is mostly what these transition types are dependant on to appear convincing and smooth. You can see that for whip-pan transitions (and if not familiar with AE) Premiere is happier at dissolving between two real whip-pans captured in camera. Any more elaborate transitions (especially punch zooms) I'd go straight to AE or Nuke to get results identical to the example video at the start of this thread. This is dope ! Im gonna try the whip pans until i learn the punch in zooms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPStewart Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Really this is all stuff you can do even just in Premiere or Resolve or FCPX. It just takes a lot of work because YOU must make a LOT of decisions about each and every clip in order to get these kinds of edits to work visually. This is why software really can't do it for you. By the time you've told it all the parameters you want it to follow for a particular pair of clips - you've basically completed the edit yourself already. However, depending on how you shoot the "frozen in space camera" effect, you may often need to use a tracker like in AE. Re-framing, key-frames, blur, and zooms/pans will do pretty much all of the MANY other types of edit-transitions featured in this piece. A lot of this relies on a very basic principle of editing - "line of sight". When you line up the main subjects of the clips that are drawing the eye to them, then there is less jarring movement of the viewer's eyes that is required in order to easily and quickly focus on the subject of the next clip. kidzrevil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonis Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 I found these two articles very informative on all the work and ideas behind those amazing transitions: Leonardo Dalessandri on creating Watchtower of Turkey:http://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/articles/1582-watchtower-of-turkey-a-stunning-piece-of-cinematic-editing-and-sound-design-created-in-final-cut-pro-x-gets-nominated-best-of-vimeo-2014 Interview with Matty Brown: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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