mercer Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 6 hours ago, Danko said: Man, with all due respect, we got it. Man, with all due respect, you're a jerk face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danko Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 4 hours ago, mercer said: Man, with all due respect, you're a jerk face. I agree I am, but this jerk face prefers when people stick to the topic and keep conversation productive and to the point. This same comment on G7 pops up left and right, whether related to them or not, sometimes twice in the same topic. Now, leave me out of your future contemplations and prayers, warrior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesku Posted March 17, 2016 Author Share Posted March 17, 2016 14 hours ago, AaronChicago said: Yeah this was from 2014 so I'm 99% sure it's Cine D. I just opened the old project in Premiere and exported the frame from a timeline to JPEG and TIFF. GH4 got a FW update 2014 autumn which increased the 4k bitrate from 85Mbs to 100Mbs. Before that the banding was maybe more visible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 4 hours ago, Danko said: I agree I am, but this jerk face prefers when people stick to the topic and keep conversation productive and to the point. This same comment on G7 pops up left and right, whether related to them or not, sometimes twice in the same topic. Now, leave me out of your future contemplations and prayers, warrior. What... I said with "all due respect." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesku Posted March 17, 2016 Author Share Posted March 17, 2016 Mercer, Danco, you two have banding and roughness... TheRenaissanceMan and mercer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, Vesku said: Mercer, Danco, you two have banding and roughness... I need a stronger codec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_one Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Can I recommend you try editing in Edius if you experience major banding issues? Their pseudo 10-bit conversion actually helps smooth gradients in all my 8 bit footage, especially from my LX100. Danko 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesku Posted March 17, 2016 Author Share Posted March 17, 2016 24 minutes ago, j_one said: Can I recommend you try editing in Edius if you experience major banding issues? Their pseudo 10-bit conversion actually helps smooth gradients in all my 8 bit footage, especially from my LX100. My issue is that I want to know if the GH4 fools with colors causing banding and is there some best settings to avoid that. I usually just look my clips without editing. Some players can add dithering to cure banding. I just wonder why GH4 videos has more banding than JPG photos. Is the luminance levels 0-255 but color levels 16-235 or what may causes the limited amount of colors? Is the YUV in general weaker to record gradients than RGB? Is the codec reducing colors to match 100Mbs in 4k? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunk Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Could your ND filter be the culprit, or lens even. Might show in h.624 and not in raw. just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesku Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 Maybe even GH4 iso200 looks little rough and noisy because it lacks colors between perfect gradients. Blurred areas are not smooth in GH4 video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesku Posted March 19, 2016 Author Share Posted March 19, 2016 I think that Sony RX100 mk4 has less banding in sky in this example than my GH4: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 On 3/18/2016 at 3:58 AM, Vesku said: Maybe even GH4 iso200 looks little rough and noisy because it lacks colors between perfect gradients. Blurred areas are not smooth in GH4 video. For sure. ISO 200 I try to avoid. Same thing with the C100. If you go lower than the native 850 ISO you get banding everywhere. Walls, skies, shirts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesku Posted March 19, 2016 Author Share Posted March 19, 2016 43 minutes ago, AaronChicago said: For sure. ISO 200 I try to avoid. Same thing with the C100. If you go lower than the native 850 ISO you get banding everywhere. Walls, skies, shirts. With GH4 the image has too much noise if using other than iso200. The little increase of noise, fading colors and breaking image is worse than little banding. The banding is not a big issue but I wonder why it is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredrik Lyhne Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 What ISO do you recommend for the GH4? I think I read somewhere that 320 and 640 was recommended on GH3, is it the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I believe 400 is the native ISO Fredrik Lyhne 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Sorry, a little OT, but how do you find out a camera's native ISO... Specifically the G7? Obviously, I have googled it but couldn't find anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 15 minutes ago, mercer said: Sorry, a little OT, but how do you find out a camera's native ISO... Specifically the G7? Obviously, I have googled it but couldn't find anything. I do the same thing. Haha. Just searched Google. Some people say 400 and some say 800 for the GH4. Not sure officially which one it is. 400 looks cleaner though IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 34 minutes ago, AaronChicago said: I do the same thing. Haha. Just searched Google. Some people say 400 and some say 800 for the GH4. Not sure officially which one it is. 400 looks cleaner though IMO. Ha. 20 pages in and all I find are references to native lenses and that you can change ISO. I assume since the G7 shares its sensor with the GX8, I can search for the GX8's native ISO as well. Either way, I always try and stay below ISO 800 anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesku Posted March 19, 2016 Author Share Posted March 19, 2016 7 hours ago, Fredrik Lyhne said: What ISO do you recommend for the GH4? I think I read somewhere that 320 and 640 was recommended on GH3, is it the same? GH4 and G7 native iso is obviously iso200 in video like in photos. I recommend iso200 for video, iso200 for JPG photos and iso100 for RAW photos if there is enough light. mercer and Fredrik Lyhne 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesku Posted March 21, 2016 Author Share Posted March 21, 2016 Here is an example of GH4 iso200 video with lots of skies (not mine). There is something like noise all the time in sky but it cant be noise at iso200 and bright sky. Why the sky is not clean? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuTAF79Lbok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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