Mat Mayer Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Agreed, I shouldn't really of commented after just a couple of minutes reading reviews. I just got a bit excited when you mentioned the price of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odie Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 ...or you could get one of these.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted March 21, 2016 Author Super Members Share Posted March 21, 2016 9 minutes ago, odie said: ...or you could get one of these.... Sure, but I like the 16mm cameras I already have. And I know a place where they recently sold an Arri 16mm with three PL lenses for €40. No I did not forget a 0... it was €40. And the Ikonoskop 16mm at €1400 was also tempting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 5 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said: Sure, but I like the 16mm cameras I already have. And I know a place where they recently sold an Arri 16mm with three PL lenses for €40. No I did not forget a 0... it was €40. I give you my phone number, next time you call me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted March 21, 2016 Author Super Members Share Posted March 21, 2016 3 minutes ago, araucaria said: I give you my phone number, next time you call me Next time Im buying it. I was supposed to go there but something came up. I tell you after I have raided the place. Nikkor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier Plagaro Mussard Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 I have a Canon 7D that I use very little. I love little cameras, but when I have the 7D in my hands I really like it. If price was no object I would probably get the new Canon 1D-X mk II. I am very tempted about FF, but my bank account doesn't agree with me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Bacle Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 May sound stupid, but I would not want any of them for this price. I'd rather have a used FS100 or AF100 (or equivalent) and spend the remaining cash on lenses, mics and lighting. I'm not in that 4k or High ISOs race anyway. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted March 21, 2016 Author Super Members Share Posted March 21, 2016 7 minutes ago, Justin Bacle said: May sound stupid, but I would not want any of them for this price. I'd rather have a used FS100 or AF100 (or equivalent) and spend the remaining cash on lenses, mics and lighting. I'm not in that 4k or High ISOs race anyway. Not stupid at all. 4K is totally overrated imo. One of the least important features in a camera. But I would not want an AF100 and Ive already had an FS100. They are nice but not really up to todays standard imo. Not in IQ not ease of use/features. I have more lenses, mics and lights than I would ever need. But if you dont, I agree. Audio and suport is more important than resolution. In this thread I was more after the small package cameras, DSLR equivalent. Something to grab when you left your big camera at home. To travel with or do some light Run n Gun. And stills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpc Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 5dm3's raw image is gorgeous. The fact that ML has tools missing in much much more expensive cameras (or any camera, for some of them) is the icing on the cake. The only substantial advantage for the A7sII would be its sensitivity, but for controlled shoots - 5dm3 all the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRenaissanceMan Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 In the ~$3000 price range? Used Ursa Major 4K. Amazing body for narrative work, great image, and interchangeable sensor turret for future-proofing. If we're talking hybrids in that price range, it'd be a tough race between the 1DC and D810, but probably 1DC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted March 21, 2016 Author Super Members Share Posted March 21, 2016 8 minutes ago, TheRenaissanceMan said: In the ~$3000 price range? Used Ursa Major 4K. Amazing body for narrative work, great image, and interchangeable sensor turret for future-proofing. Great camera but hard to ignore the Red One MX for less money and better lowlight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tugela Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 I would not want any of the cameras listed. My main criteria is that a modern camera has to be a true hybrid, in that it has to be able to take excellent stills in a broad variety of scenarios, and it has to be able to record high quality video. It has to be capable of taking the sorts of stills I make, and at the switch of a button record video of the same scene. 4K without technology related compromises (such as excessive crop factors) is a requisite. I regard any camera that cannot record 4K as technologically obsolete. I want a camera for the future, not the past. In addition to that I also require that it be ergonomically suitable for my hands. Large cameras like the 5D, and giant cameras like the 1D, simply will be rejected purely because of their size. Very small bodies such as the ones Sony tends to make will be rejected because they are too finicky to handle. The ideal dimensions (for me) would be roughly the size of a Rebel. It also has to have reasonable prices (going north of 2K is a deal breaker). The only camera I have encountered that meets all of these criteria so far is the NX1. The GH4 sort of does it, but it falls short in some areas with stills. The a7RII sort of does it, but falls short in ergonomics (and in any case costs too much). So far no Canon and no Nikon product comes close to my ideal camera. They make specialist cameras but no true hybrids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted March 21, 2016 Author Super Members Share Posted March 21, 2016 D750 is probably the best hybrid for the hobbiest imo. The NX1 is a great video camera and great at stills in daylight. In dusk, dawn and darkness it fails in AF and its no monster in dark video either. A true hybrid needs to work 24h/day imo. I doubt you could tell good HD uspcaled from true 4K on places like youtube, and TV don't want no 4K. And I doubt you will shoot for 4K cinema on a hybrid. I can somewhat get the "future" thing but no one will care in the future. I still watch my favorite shows captured in SD and they are just as good today. Regarding personal stuff like travel videos and such, no one is going to watch it in the future anyway. IronFilm, Jonatan and hmcindie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tugela Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 I have a 65" 4K TV and I have no trouble seeing the difference. I record 4K for me, so how it looks on MY TV set (not yours) is the deciding factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted March 21, 2016 Author Super Members Share Posted March 21, 2016 We are just gonna have to agree to disagree. And dont think you can and you've failed blind tests before so no point in debating. Enjoy your camera. (btw I have no idea what my TV had to do with it, strange comment.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 1 hour ago, tugela said: I would not want any of the cameras listed. Does this mean you are taking your ball and finally going home? The nerve! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tugela Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Mattias Burling said: We are just gonna have to agree to disagree. And dont think you can and you've failed blind tests before so no point in debating. Enjoy your camera. (btw I have no idea what my TV had to do with it, strange comment.) No I have not. Stop making stuff up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jax_rox Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 3 hours ago, Mattias Burling said: Great camera but hard to ignore the Red One MX for less money and better lowlight. Significantly worse workflow. Not that I particularly like the URSA either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted March 22, 2016 Author Super Members Share Posted March 22, 2016 7 hours ago, jax_rox said: Significantly worse workflow. Not that I particularly like the URSA either. How so? Red code can be edited in realtime in any editor on a moddest laptop. Besides the Red workflow beeing a bit easier and faster I dont see a big difference. When shooting Red and Blackmagic side by side its equal amount of work. 9 hours ago, tugela said: No I have not. Stop making stuff up. Whats that river in Africa called again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tugela Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 43 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said: How so? Red code can be edited in realtime in any editor on a moddest laptop. Besides the Red workflow beeing a bit easier and faster I dont see a big difference. When shooting Red and Blackmagic side by side its equal amount of work. Whats that river in Africa called again? Fabrication? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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