Super Members Mattias Burling Posted March 23, 2016 Super Members Share Posted March 23, 2016 Ever since the first DSLR started shooting video there has been one dream, the functionality of a camcorder with the sensor and lens mount of a DSLR. All in an affordable package. This might be just that. JVC has lended me the camera for a few weeks to try out. What Im mostly interested in is if: Its as good as the specs makes it out to be. If it can be both a true Run n Gun camera and something for cinema. If it is the ultimate camera for vintage lens junkies Regarding the specs, here is what cought my eye. MFT Mount S35mm Sensor 4K 4:2:2 HD Log Prime Zoom External Controls Built In NDs XLR First Impression It is light and small but doesn't feel cheap or flimsy. I would say it feels just like theses DVX type camcorders always does. Not 5D rugged, but solid, maybe a bit more solid than a FS100. Setting it up was super easy and intuitive, I mean its a camcorder... its great.. its like riding a bike Getting all the features I want like zebra etc went fast, they where all exactly where you would suspect them to be. The ND wheel feels nice, so does most of the controls and buttons. The audio wheels are clickless, thats a tiny complaint but no deal breaker. The first lens I tested was a m4/3 12-42mm. Its the kit lens from my GFs GM1. It worked and surprisingly it only had some vignette at the long end in s35 mode. In other words its both a normal MFT zoom and a s35 wide angle. It also turns out that there where sensor size stops between s35 and MFT! I hate to say it, but thats all I have time for this first evening. First test and some downloadable J-Log will be up tomorrow. Meanwhile, here are some pics. Mat Mayer, Cinegain, DayRaven and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Well, I'll stay tuned! We've all been wondering about this one, yet (almost) nobody dared touching it! - huh, is that a 1D C? You didn't have one before either, did ya? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldolega Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Great! It'll be nice to have your input on this cam. I was pretty interested at first, but the high-ish price (which has now come down) and the mediocre initial test footage I saw kinda put me off of it. And it being a JVC, of course, haha. I just have a hard time taking them seriously in the large-sensor space, for some reason. It would be great if you could do a quick rolling-shutter test using Samuel H's methodology described in this post: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?303559-Measuring-rolling-shutter-put-a-number-on-this-issue! I also wonder what the performance of m4/3 speedboosters will be like, past the m4/3 sensor area. Even if it covers the full s35 sensor, I feel like the outer quarters/thirds of the frame would still be compromised. Hopefully Brian Caldwell sees this and can clarify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted March 24, 2016 Author Super Members Share Posted March 24, 2016 13 hours ago, Cinegain said: - huh, is that a 1D C? You didn't have one before either, did ya? It came the same day, was a great view when I got home 4 hours ago, aldolega said: Great! It'll be nice to have your input on this cam. I was pretty interested at first, but the high-ish price (which has now come down) and the mediocre initial test footage I saw kinda put me off of it. And it being a JVC, of course, haha. I just have a hard time taking them seriously in the large-sensor space, for some reason. It would be great if you could do a quick rolling-shutter test using Samuel H's methodology described in this post: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?303559-Measuring-rolling-shutter-put-a-number-on-this-issue! I also wonder what the performance of m4/3 speedboosters will be like, past the m4/3 sensor area. Even if it covers the full s35 sensor, I feel like the outer quarters/thirds of the frame would still be compromised. Hopefully Brian Caldwell sees this and can clarify. I will do my best to test it through most shooting situations. Cant help you with the speedbooster thoug, don't have one. j_one and Cinegain 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhurba Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Your reviews are great Mattias, I followed them on Youtube before knowing you were lurking here! JVC has a beautiful JLog. I'm still very interested in this camera but the ISO performance wasn't stellar. Still, for the price is hard to beat and I would love to see JVC winning at it. The viewfinder is not great and it's a pity they didn't get rid of it ala FS7. It's a weak point and still takes precious centimeters in the bag. Also they need to put JLOG too on the GY-HM170 and the GY-HM200 so shooters can have other camera options to match the footage in multicam shootings. IronFilm, j_one and Mattias Burling 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamoui Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 https://***URL not allowed***/jvc-gy-ls300-slow-motion-recording-update-announced/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted March 24, 2016 Author Super Members Share Posted March 24, 2016 47 minutes ago, iamoui said: https://***URL not allowed***/jvc-gy-ls300-slow-motion-recording-update-announced/ Good stuff, hope it gets here before I need to return it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spgreen65 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 i have been watching this cam, waiting to see it if can provide the filmic look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 12 hours ago, iamoui said: https://***URL not allowed***/jvc-gy-ls300-slow-motion-recording-update-announced/ Did it only have 60fps FHD before? I am surprised. This 120fps FHD addition then certainly will make it more appealing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted March 25, 2016 Author Super Members Share Posted March 25, 2016 Files for download! Here are some files for download so you can play around with them. One is a test of the Dynamic Range. It was shot in s35 with a m4/3 kit lens so there is severe barrel distortion, but no vignette. The other is a portrait of Gunpowder with a vintage Yashikor 55mm My advice for grading is to treat it as Rec709 and don't push the shadows to much. The mids and highlights can take more of a beating. DR test Ungraded No highlights blown, sky is preserved for the sake of the test. With a quick gradeGunpowder ungraded Quick Grade 1 Quick Grade 2 The files can be downloaded here: http://www.filedropper.com/jvc mercer and Liam 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 The ungraded footage looks amazing, and then quick grade 1 just adds that nice, little extra POP. Good job. Color Finale? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted March 25, 2016 Author Super Members Share Posted March 25, 2016 15 minutes ago, mercer said: The ungraded footage looks amazing, and then quick grade 1 just adds that nice, little extra POP. Good job. Color Finale? Thanks, yes it was color finale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted March 25, 2016 Administrators Share Posted March 25, 2016 Glad you got a 1D C as well. This is going to be interesting... Mattias Burling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Did you use a LUT for the Quick Grade 1 of Gunpowder? I really like that look!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted March 25, 2016 Author Super Members Share Posted March 25, 2016 19 minutes ago, mercer said: Did you use a LUT for the Quick Grade 1 of Gunpowder? I really like that look!!! Yes, Deluts, but I dont remember which exactly. mercer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunk Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 Thanks for sharing the files Mattias. I was surprised by the amount of macro blocking in the window footage as the shot of gunpowder had hardly any. CC-ing gunpowder (no grade) felt really nice, the window shot though felt like the footage fell apart. Don’t think I will buy a JVC any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted March 26, 2016 Author Super Members Share Posted March 26, 2016 14 minutes ago, bunk said: Thanks for sharing the files Mattias. I was surprised by the amount of macro blocking in the window footage as the shot of gunpowder had hardly any. CC-ing gunpowder (no grade) felt really nice, the window shot though felt like the footage fell apart. Don’t think I will buy a JVC any time soon. How did you grade,because I wasn't able to replicate your problem with macro blocking, no matter how much I pushed? And if you get it, remember, this is 8-bit 4K just like a GH4, A7sii or something, they can't be treated as raw. And the camera does shoot 10-bit 4:2:2 if one really wants to grade. I won't make the decision if its worth to buy by looking at two clips, that seems pretty harsh. Specially since that means you pretty much only have the fs7, c300 and c300ii left to choose from. BrorSvensson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunk Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 35 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said: How did you grade,because I wasn't able to replicate your problem with macro blocking, no matter how much I pushed? No need to grade, just look at the window frame and even sky , although less visible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted March 26, 2016 Author Super Members Share Posted March 26, 2016 12 minutes ago, bunk said: No need to grade, just look at the window frame and even sky , although less visible. Sorry, dont see it. Can you be more specific? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunk Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 2 hours ago, Mattias Burling said: Sorry, dont see it. Can you be more specific? I opened the footage in Photoshop. And created two cut outs. Without changing the footage I traced some of the macroblocks at 100% and created outlines. Next I changed saturation ... not precise but not too far off either. I'm on my laptop, maybe that somehow emphases it somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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