mkabi Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Definitely worth its weight in gold... Apparently the Terra 5K can record 5K in ProRes too, but I'd like to know... What kinds of frame rates can it record in ProRes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 18 hours ago, araucaria said: Yes, bring a BMPCC killer with 2.5k aps-c sensor That would be the KiniMINI which has dropped in price to US$2K vaga 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 3 hours ago, IronFilm said: That would be the KiniMINI which has dropped in price to US$2K That price is for the body only, not a shooting package. vaga 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 2 minutes ago, DBounce said: That price is for the body only, not a shooting package. Which is the same way RED advertises their cameras as well (plus many other companies too, Sony/BMD/etc). However.... accessories / add on / batteries / media are all *HEAPS* cheaper for the KineFinity system than the RED ecosystem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 8 minutes ago, IronFilm said: Which is the same way RED advertises their cameras as well (plus many other companies too, Sony/BMD/etc). However.... accessories / add on / batteries / media are all *HEAPS* cheaper for the KineFinity system than the RED ecosystem! Yes, but I know who Red is. KineWho? Like I said, trying to hang with the big boys without any rep is not gonna fly. BTW, do you have one on order? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Anastasi Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 1 minute ago, DBounce said: Yes, but I know who Red is. KineWho? Like I said, trying to hang with the big boys without any rep is not gonna fly. BTW, do you have one on order? yes 'kinewho' in your marketplace maybe, but here in china - the 2nd largest film industry in the world, yes china is all over these guys, they are like sony and arri here. massive industry uptake in this china market. which as you can imagine is absolutely massive.. these guys have their hands full just catering to the local market in a huge way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 19 minutes ago, Tony Anastasi said: yes 'kinewho' in your marketplace maybe, but here in china - the 2nd largest film industry in the world, yes china is all over these guys, they are like sony and arri here. massive industry uptake in this china market. which as you can imagine is absolutely massive.. these guys have their hands full just catering to the local market in a huge way. And? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Anastasi Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 1 minute ago, DBounce said: And? no and.. just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 5 hours ago, IronFilm said: That would be the KiniMINI which has dropped in price to US$2K Not exactly because the kinemini is gigantic compared to a bmpcc. Cinegain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Daniel Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 From the decent footage I've seen from the Kinefinity cameras, I think it has one of the best images on the market. These new Terra cameras almost sound perfect, so what's the catch? (yes, they come from China and only have HD Videoshop in Berlin for distribution in Europe). The features look great, but i'm mostly impressed with the weight/size. I'll be keeping an eye on this one. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 2 hours ago, Tony Anastasi said: yes 'kinewho' in your marketplace maybe, but here in china - the 2nd largest film industry in the world, yes china is all over these guys, they are like sony and arri here. massive industry uptake in this china market. which as you can imagine is absolutely massive.. these guys have their hands full just catering to the local market in a huge way. Where can we see some footage? I'd like to see some more examples in a pro setting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 2 hours ago, Tony Anastasi said: yes 'kinewho' in your marketplace maybe, but here in china - the 2nd largest film industry in the world, yes china is all over these guys, they are like sony and arri here. massive industry uptake in this china market. which as you can imagine is absolutely massive.. these guys have their hands full just catering to the local market in a huge way. Indeed, I browsed a few Chinese language forum threads and the response over there is HUGE. It is like when an announcement is made on reduser. Maybe this is a reason why they're so poor at catering to the western world? They're already flat out at max capacity just trying to keep up with their local market demand?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Daniel Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 42 minutes ago, AaronChicago said: Where can we see some footage? I'd like to see some more examples in a pro setting. It's really hard to find professional footage for these cameras. Most stuff I've seen is vastly overexposed/underexposed, graded badly, lit badly, shot badly or a combination of these. I remember seeing a short film shot on the Kinemini 4k, and the the image quality was outstanding - like you'd expect from a theatrical feature release. But I can't find it ANYWHERE. Found this on the Kinemini 4k though: Geoff CB and AaronChicago 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 3 hours ago, DBounce said: Yes, but I know who Red is. KineWho? Like I said, trying to hang with the big boys without any rep is not gonna fly. A Scarlet-W base package plus PL mount plus side handle plus a few extra MINI-MAGs will be getting up to nearly three times what the equivalent KineFinity would cost. Not always an option to just go out and do, spending that much coin. However on the flip side of this is the big issue for KineFinity that no client (outside China, as it seems within China they're gaining a solid rep already) would ever specifically request it.... but you'd often get a RED explicitly requested. Thus from a business perspective it can be tough for it to make financial sense to purchase a Scarlet-W, even though it costs nearly 3x as much. Quote BTW, do you have one on order? Nah, when it comes to owning cameras I'll try to see if my Sony PMW-F3 / BMPCC can last me out for another couple of years, going to resist spending any more money here that I don't need to do. And then when I do upgrade it will likely be to a secondhand Sony FS7 or F5. Or maybe a secondhand URSA Mini 4.6K or KineFinity Terra 6K, and I'll certainly keep my eye out for more user reviews of these two over the next couple of years. But as much as I'll try to resist buying any more cameras.... I feel certain I'll have moments of weaknesses! Quite likely at sometime during 2016 I'll buy a cheap 4K camera such as the NX1. And next month I plan on buying half a dozen action cameras for a 360 Video rig. Plus I'm currently mucking around with a cheap 20 megapixel point and shoot, and if I get the scripting working on that, I plan on buying half dozen more of those point and shoots for a photogrammetry rig. Plus as well as being a video professional, I'm a casual hobby photographer and wouldn't mind indulging myself with a Nikon D750 and FujiFilm X100 one day! (one can dream, but film needs take priority over hobby wants) So yeah, looks like I have my hands more than full with cameras to buy at sometime! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 28 minutes ago, IronFilm said: A Scarlet-W base package plus PL mount plus side handle plus a few extra MINI-MAGs will be getting up to nearly three times what the equivalent KineFinity would cost. Not always an option to just go out and do, spending that much coin. However on the flip side of this is the big issue for KineFinity that no client (outside China, as it seems within China they're gaining a solid rep already) would ever specifically request it.... but you'd often get a RED explicitly requested. Thus from a business perspective it can be tough for it to make financial sense to purchase a Scarlet-W, even though it costs nearly 3x as much. Nah, when it comes to owning cameras I'll try to see if my Sony PMW-F3 / BMPCC can last me out for another couple of years, going to resist spending any more money here that I don't need to do. And then when I do upgrade it will likely be to a secondhand Sony FS7 or F5. Or maybe a secondhand URSA Mini 4.6K or KineFinity Terra 6K, and I'll certainly keep my eye out for more user reviews of these two over the next couple of years. But as much as I'll try to resist buying any more cameras.... I feel certain I'll have moments of weaknesses! Quite likely at sometime during 2016 I'll buy a cheap 4K camera such as the NX1. And next month I plan on buying half a dozen action cameras for a 360 Video rig. Plus I'm currently mucking around with a cheap 20 megapixel point and shoot, and if I get the scripting working on that, I plan on buying half dozen more of those point and shoots for a photogrammetry rig. Plus as well as being a video professional, I'm a casual hobby photographer and wouldn't mind indulging myself with a Nikon D750 and FujiFilm X100 one day! (one can dream, but film needs take priority over hobby wants) So yeah, looks like I have my hands more than full with cameras to buy at sometime! You see, I'll agree it looks interesting, but making the move from interesting to taking out my checkbook are to different things. I'll pass, unless prices become such that it's worth the gamble to me. I suspect this is the sentiment of most people here. vaga 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 "Plus I'm currently mucking around with a cheap 20 megapixel point and shoot, and if I get the scripting working on that..." @IronFilm I just picked up a cool point and shoot as well... Excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean by "scripting?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Mercer, google "CHDK". I can write programs to run on my p&s mercer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootsie Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 5 hours ago, Oliver Daniel said: It's really hard to find professional footage for these cameras. Most stuff I've seen is vastly overexposed/underexposed, graded badly, lit badly, shot badly or a combination of these. I remember seeing a short film shot on the Kinemini 4k, and the the image quality was outstanding - like you'd expect from a theatrical feature release. But I can't find it ANYWHERE. Found this on the Kinemini 4k though: Well, did you look here? http://www.kinefinity.com/support/downloads/shots/?lang=en Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Daniel Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 15 hours ago, bootsie said: Well, did you look here? http://www.kinefinity.com/support/downloads/shots/?lang=en Yes... some great stuff there to see though. There's a thread on RedUser about the Terra - bloody hell some of those guys probably wear pyjamas with the Red logo on them. Lots of negativity towards Kinefinity. Insane. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 16 minutes ago, Oliver Daniel said: Yes... some great stuff there to see though. There's a thread on RedUser about the Terra - bloody hell some of those guys probably wear pyjamas with the Red logo on them. Lots of negativity towards Kinefinity. Insane. Hahaha, most probably. That forum is a dick sucking contest to rationalize spending 40.000$ on a camera and still being a 40 years old men with no clue about image making. Oliver Daniel, DayRaven and Geoff CB 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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