So who uses noise reduction?

[Inazuma]

1 hour ago, Zach Goodwin said:

Yeah sure... And I guess I should stop eating too...

This, definitely

[mkabi]

I used it once, but now in retrospect... If I can do it all over again... I know that I would take a breath, take a little time to preplan and take a little time to set up.

Ultimately, most the shots that needed touching up was all a rush job during the shoot.

So, after the shoot, and it wasn't a rush job and you still see noise... then I guess you have to figure out whether it adds to the story by keep it, adding it or removing it.

[jax_rox]

17 hours ago, Mattias Burling said:

But its good to know that something as simple as TV never can be concidered "high end". 

I guess something like Game of Thrones = Cat Video in the league you play in

But your right, they probably dont use noise reduction either. I guess Neat Video is more something for Spielberg

(better ad another just in case, people have been grougy lately and seem to misinterpret criticism as anger.)

Please feel free to point out the part in my post where I said TV can never be high end. I simply said TV does not automatically mean high end. There's a huge difference between Game of Thrones, your daytime soap, news footage and fishing segments on the local channel.

Are all of these high end?

Many television productions simply don't have the time to spend in noise reduction. But many do.

You'd be surprised at the number of high-end productions that employ noise reduction on all kinds of shots. It's become a standard part of the grading process.

Productions with the time and budget also often shoot with lights in the shot and then use VFX to take them out later.

This stuff is much more common place than you would think. Feel free to disagree with me, but it doesn't make it any less true!

Or are you suggesting you shoot for GOT...?  

[Mattias Burling]

26 minutes ago, jax_rox said:

Please feel free to point out the part in my post where I said TV can never be high end. 

Please feel free to point out the part in my post where I was unclear about messing with you.

You said for Youtube its fine but "High End" needed NR. I then said that I didnt use NR for TV either. Meaning, no its not only on youtube that NR isnt used. You then quickly pointed out that it wasnt High End.

It just sounded funny to me thats all. We all know that there are many shows, commercials, events and movies on TV that are way way more "High End" than many Hollywood films. And we all know that there is also simple things like news. So that you felth the need to point that out was funny

And the whole NR for "High End" still sounds weird to me. Can you give a few examples of what is "High End".

I took GT as an example. No I havent worked there. Dont even watch it, think it sucks. But I have worked on productions with more money involved and way way more viewers. But it wasnt high end and we didnt use Noise Reduction

Why you feel the need to tell me about lights being taken out is also wierd. Thats photography 1:1.

I think, you wrote a post that made you sound a bit elitist and instead of writing "that came out wrong" you kept going.

But thats just my theory

[Inazuma]

Youve worked on a production with a higher budget and more viewers than game of thrones? What would that be?

[kidzrevil]

I always use NR before grading unless I cant get a good profile in Neat Video

[Mattias Burling]

On 10 april 2016 at 11:09 AM, Inazuma said:

Youve worked on a production with a higher budget and more viewers than game of thrones? What would that be?

Read my post again.

(but if you must know it was in sports broadcasting, highest leagues in the biggest sport to be exact. Like I said not high end but way more viewers and more money involved.)

( It seems you might also need a  or two to take the edge of... people really are in a bad mood lately, wonder if its NAB or something that causes it.)

[Inazuma]

2 hours ago, Mattias Burling said:

Read my post again.

(but if you must know it was in sports broadcasting, highest leagues in the biggest sport to be exact. Like I said not high end but way more viewers and more money involved.)

( It seems you might also need a  or two to take the edge of... people really are in a bad mood lately, wonder if its NAB or something that causes it.)

I was not in any mood when I asked that question.. I was just asking a question

[Mattias Burling]

4 minutes ago, Inazuma said:

I was not in any mood when I asked that question.. I was just asking a question

Thats why I said "might", but your right. My apology

[jax_rox]

On 10/04/2016 at 4:50 PM, Mattias Burling said:

You said for Youtube its fine but "High End" needed NR. I then said that I didnt use NR for TV either. Meaning, no its not only on youtube that NR isnt used. You then quickly pointed out that it wasnt High End.

I must've misread - I never saw the 'either', which to me (as I'd said high-end, not TV), implied that you meant the TV you were working on was high-end. Hence the continued discussion on 'what is high-end'

So -  apologies for not reading your comment correctly  

The point, however, still stands - many/most big budget narrative productions (is that a better term? ) use NR when necessary.

[hmcindie]

5 hours ago, jax_rox said:

The point, however, still stands - many/most big budget narrative productions (is that a better term? ) use NR when necessary.

Is Taken 2 high end? I remember seeing some horribly NR'd shots somewhere there. The last fight seemed to have shots that were shot with a potato.

Also they can use NR in the Bluray authoring phase. Some classic film grains have been taken away with a ridiculous amount of NR. Sometimes I think that the original cinematographer/director combinations would not have approved those.

 

[jax_rox]

3 minutes ago, hmcindie said:

Is Taken 2 high end? I remember seeing some horribly NR'd shots somewhere there. The last fight seemed to have shots that were shot with a potato.

Also they can use NR in the Bluray authoring phase. Some classic film grains have been taken away with a ridiculous amount of NR. Sometimes I think that the original cinematographer/director combinations would not have approved those.

 

NR has become a standard part of the DI process. It's just as common as any part of the grading process these days - at least at the level that has the budget to spend the appropriate amount of time in a suite.

I saw some launch stuff for Panasonic's new VaricamLT, and even that was NR'd (to give you an idea of how commonplace it is these days). Same as the Dragon release stuff I saw..

[Mattias Burling]

22 minutes ago, hmcindie said:

Is Taken 2 high end? I remember seeing some horribly NR'd shots somewhere there. The last fight seemed to have shots that were shot with a potato.

Also they can use NR in the Bluray authoring phase. Some classic film grains have been taken away with a ridiculous amount of NR. Sometimes I think that the original cinematographer/director combinations would not have approved those.

 

And lastly it wil all be sharpened, converted to 60p and get a second pass of NR in most peoples TV sets

[hmcindie]

Just absolutely disgusting

I find it weird that a TV has to do a new pass of NR, combine frames together and make all the colors more "vivid". Like what are we all doing in the grading room anyway? Can't they just show the image 'as is'?

[Mattias Burling]

2 minutes ago, hmcindie said:

Just absolutely disgusting

I find it weird that a TV has to do a new pass of NR, combine frames together and make all the colors more "vivid". Like what are we all doing in the grading room anyway? Can't they just show the image 'as is'?

It sucks. I remeber showing a doc I spent hours grading to a friend on his dads TV. It looked like a low quality porno.