HelsinkiZim Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 On 4/15/2016 at 11:35 PM, TVDino said: I didn't need to read it all Expand Don't worry, when I get on my pedestal my posts are looong. But, eh, no one is paying me to be concise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVDino Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 It's sad how we deep down want a saviour; either in the next WonderWoman/Scrooge McDuck or in the shape of the next PERFECT Graphics-card, the next PERFECT child or saddest of all : The dream-makers dream of the next PERFECT DREAM-MACHINE ... "We want to believe in the CHEAP RED (even RED knows to use this !) & the PROMISED BLACKMAGIC ! (Unintended dirty )" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jax_rox Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 On 4/15/2016 at 11:11 PM, HelsinkiZim said: That was fun (for me). Having sold stuff from Kirby vacuum cleaners to tvc airtime, its a trip down memory lane. I wouldn't touch this kit with a ten foot pole. A bit too sleazy for me. Expand 100%. It's too sleazy sales for me. Feels too Wolf of Wall Street 'I have here a unique opportunity'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Daniel Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 The topic here is a bit lost. What are we predicting with the Craft Camera? I'll say it might be a "build your camera" approach with the Apertus Axiom concept, but with locked firmware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tugela Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 Or it could be a cardboard box with a pin hole. Remember....developing a camera is not a simple thing, and developing one that pushes the envelope is even harder. What are the odds that some guy working out of his basement (or where ever) is going to be able to do that from scratch? If it was that easy we would be swamped by such cameras, and we are not. Even those with decades of experience making cameras cannot. So, what are the odds? I would suggest not holding your breath, and under no circumstances send any money until there actually is a real working product to be had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy Jones Posted April 16, 2016 Author Share Posted April 16, 2016 On 4/16/2016 at 1:04 AM, Oliver Daniel said: The topic here is a bit lost. What are we predicting with the Craft Camera? I'll say it might be a "build your camera" approach with the Apertus Axiom concept, but with locked firmware. Expand I have been trying to figure this out too. What could a new competitor bring to the table that hasn't already been done? Your idea is the only one I can think of. But honestly, if the image is super and the camera reliable, I don't need any new tricks. Also, I kind of wish they would have said there was a 4K and a '2K' instead of 'HD'. On 4/16/2016 at 1:40 AM, tugela said: What are the odds that some guy working out of his basement (or where ever) is going to be able to do that from scratch? If it was that easy we would be swamped by such cameras, and we are not. Even those with decades of experience making cameras cannot. So, what are the odds? Expand Yah, the nerve of guys like Steve Jobs and Woz. Idiots! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkabi Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 On 4/16/2016 at 2:25 AM, Jonesy Jones said: I have been trying to figure this out too. What could a new competitor bring to the table that hasn't already been done? Your idea is the only one I can think of. But honestly, if the image is super and the camera reliable, I don't need any new tricks. Also, I kind of wish they would have said there was a 4K and a '2K' instead of 'HD'. Yah, the nerve of guys like Steve Jobs and Woz. Idiots! Expand Don't oversimplify what Wozniak did then with what is available now... If I told you to build a dog house now... You can do that in your garage, in the same respect if I told you to build a skyscraper, can you do that in your garage? Wozniak's computer was a dog house compared to the iPhone that I'm typing this on now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted April 16, 2016 Super Members Share Posted April 16, 2016 Who says its someone without experience, they could all be Samsung drop outs for all we know. The Digital Bolex was just two people with a dream. One had built a photoboth. And that camera is imo one of the top tier cinema cameras out there. vaga 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVDino Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 On 4/16/2016 at 5:49 AM, Mattias Burling said: Who says its someone without experience, they could all be Samsung drop outs for all we know. The Digital Bolex was just two people with a dream. One had built a photoboth. And that camera is imo one of the top tier cinema cameras out there. Expand Might be so; but we know 1 thing for sure : They haven't hired any sensible marketing-strategist or PR-campaignist !!! (Then they would have given customers foretastes, pictures, specs etc. to awaken appetite instead of giving rise to scepticism ...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted April 16, 2016 Super Members Share Posted April 16, 2016 On 4/16/2016 at 8:13 AM, TVDino said: Might be so; but we know 1 thing for sure : They haven't hired any sensible marketing-strategist or PR-campaignist !!! (Then they would have given customers some foretastes, pictures, specs etc. to awaken appetite instead of scepticism ...) Expand Well, Red bans forum users and I dont have to mention Blackmagic. As an expert in the subject I can say, there are more media strategies than one. There are thousands. I would be very surpriced if thet didnt have a reason for doing what they do. Time will tell if its good or bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVDino Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 On 4/16/2016 at 8:29 AM, Mattias Burling said: Well, Red bans forum users and I dont have to mention Blackmagic. As an expert in the subject I can say, there are more media strategies than one. There are thousands. I would be very surpriced if thet didnt have a reason for doing what they do. Time will tell if its good or bad. Expand Sure, there's more than one strategy, but don't You find it rather stupid to BEGIN with the "FUD-publicity-is-better-than-none-strategy" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted April 16, 2016 Super Members Share Posted April 16, 2016 On 4/16/2016 at 8:55 AM, TVDino said: Sure, there's more than one strategy, but don't You find it rather stupid to BEGIN with the "FUD-publicity-is-better-than-none-strategy" ? Expand You dont know their plan = you dont know if its good or bad. The only thing that will measure the effect of their comunication is the cash left after expenses on the company's account. We can only wait and see. To most eyes Blackmagics comunication is strange. Goes against most PR practice and theory. Still they are doing allright both among amateurs and Hollywood. And their users swear by the quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVDino Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 On 4/16/2016 at 9:00 AM, Mattias Burling said: You dont know their plan = you dont know if its good or bad. The only thing that will measure the effect of their comunication is the cash left after expenses on the company's account. We can only wait and see. To most eyes Blackmagics comunication is strange. Goes against most PR practice and theory. Still they are doing allright both among amateurs and Hollywood. And their users swear by the quality. Expand But when people use FUD - Fear/Uncertainty/Doubt - as strategy before launching the products, in a campaign aimed at customers to place deposits I find it is like shooting Yourself in the foot . I bet this will turn many more away, than attract some - don't You agree that it looks "Nigeriean-style" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted April 16, 2016 Super Members Share Posted April 16, 2016 On 4/16/2016 at 9:26 AM, TVDino said: But when people use FUD - Fear/Uncertainty/Doubt - as strategy before launching the products, in a campaign aimed at customers to place deposits I find it is like shooting Yourself in the foot . I bet this will turn many more away, than attract some - don't You agree that it looks "Nigeriean-style" ? Expand They say from the beginning that you will get the info you need on monday. No one is forcing anyone to pay anything. No I dont agree that all Nigerian companies are chriminal. We will know in a years time if they have made money. Then we know if it was a smart move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Daniel Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 I think the marketing campaign is working. People are wagging their tongues and fingertips about this mystery newcomer. Even though a lot of the discussions are harshly negative, the talk is still going on and people seem frustrated that they don't know what the product is. The irritation comes from a need for information. I love having new makers of camera around to rustle a few feathers. Everybody deserves a chance. Judge when the product is in your own hands. Mattias Burling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 On 4/16/2016 at 12:15 PM, Oliver Daniel said: I think the marketing campaign is working. People are wagging their tongues and fingertips about this mystery newcomer. Even though a lot of the discussions are harshly negative, the talk is still going on and people seem frustrated that they don't know what the product is. The irritation comes from a need for information. I love having new makers of camera around to rustle a few feathers. Everybody deserves a chance. Judge when the product is in your own hands. Expand But if they don't live up to the expectations it will backfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted April 16, 2016 Super Members Share Posted April 16, 2016 On 4/16/2016 at 12:15 PM, Oliver Daniel said: I think the marketing campaign is working. People are wagging their tongues and fingertips about this mystery newcomer. Even though a lot of the discussions are harshly negative, the talk is still going on and people seem frustrated that they don't know what the product is. The irritation comes from a need for information. I love having new makers of camera around to rustle a few feathers. Everybody deserves a chance. Judge when the product is in your own hands. Expand Yup, its not even that extreme. In the 80s a company started to advertise like crazy is sweden with just 4 random letters. Didnt even tell what undustry it was. Could have been a restaurant, shoes, you name it. Turned out to be a line of cruise ships. That campain is still refered to in marketing today as a success. On 4/16/2016 at 12:49 PM, Nikkor said: But if they don't live up to the expectations it will backfire. Expand So does every other campaign on the planet. Nothing uniqe for this strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVDino Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 While others will maintain the world is ROUND ... If it's too good to be true ... (it's a $ 6.000 Raven or CraftCamera ?) Perhaps it will interest You to know that the SAME EMAIL only for EOSHD has been sent to REDUSER.NET ? http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?143452-New-Camera-called-Craft/page3&highlight=craftcamera On 4/15/2016 at 11:35 PM, TVDino said: "Hmmm, If I was only mailing to potential buyer-groups, I do not want ANY speculation about my business ! They surely must know this would happen and COULD have provided some photographs or more specs ... OK to keep secretive, but this is an exaggeration and a VERY "shady" sign ! Also I checked jcs' link :http://petapixel.com/2013/02/25/craft-camera-a-diy-digital-camera-made-with-cardboard-and-arduino/ and it leads to an interesting web-address http://craft-camera.com/ ... much like http://www.craftcamera.com/" We want to believe in the CHEAP RED (even RED knows to use this !) & the PROMISED BLACKMAGIC ! (Unintended dirty ) Expand NB : Actually the want-to-believe-joke's dirtiness with CHEAP RED (Dana Sculley) and PROMISED BLACKMAGIC (Fox Mulder) gets UNINTENTIONALLY again (I swear !) even dirtier, when You read the name of this thread : "Craft Camera is coming!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantsin Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 On 4/16/2016 at 5:49 AM, Mattias Burling said: The Digital Bolex was just two people with a dream. One had built a photoboth. And that camera is imo one of the top tier cinema cameras out there. Expand Well, that's the marketing story. In reality, a bigger company (Ienso/Cinemeridian, http://www.digitalcameradesign.com/) had been behind the project from its very beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted April 16, 2016 Super Members Share Posted April 16, 2016 On 4/16/2016 at 1:27 PM, cantsin said: Well, that's the marketing story. In reality, a bigger company (Ienso/Cinemeridian, http://www.digitalcameradesign.com/) had been behind the project from its very beginning. Expand Exactly, there is nothing that says that this isn't the same case. We will have to wait, and I suspect thats the whole idea behind the campaign, they know people hate to wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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