Zak Forsman Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 oh yeah, the Terra form factor is a big plus. will be curious to see the new 5k sensor in action. AaronChicago 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squig Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 59 minutes ago, Zak Forsman said: oh yeah, the Terra form factor is a big plus. will be curious to see the new 5k sensor in action. 920g, 15 stops rolling, 13 stops global, what's not to like? If it's as good in action as it is on paper, the revolution is nigh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 On Monday, May 02, 2016 at 1:57 AM, neosushi said: Are the cameras already being delayed ? I thought shipping dates were 6K: May 5K: June On their website it says 6K: June 5K: Jully Still well ahead of any Blackmagic Design schedule! Haha :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 25 minutes ago, Elagabalus said: If you pre-order now, you'll get 6K in June and 5K in July. The ones who have pre-ordered when they were announced will get them in May and June. Just like RED Raven is already shipping, but if you order one now, you'd be lucky to get it in September. Great, then hopefully we can see some reviews and footage soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoferman Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 I watched that video assuming the left side was Ursa given the opinions here that the skin tones look better on the BM. I think the ursa skin tones are way too magenta. I prefer the look of the kine. Liam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Forsman Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 2 hours ago, squig said: 920g, 15 stops rolling, 13 stops global, what's not to like? If it's as good in action as it is on paper, the revolution is nigh. dont get me wrong, i'm eagerly anticipating the 5K Terra. but side by side here I thought the skin tones on the BMD looked more natural than the Kinefinity. which surprised me. maybe it's the grade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 1 hour ago, Kristoferman said: I watched that video assuming the left side was Ursa given the opinions here that the skin tones look better on the BM. I think the ursa skin tones are way too magenta. I prefer the look of the kine. The UM46K has an overall magenta bias. It really helps with skintones though b/c you can just drag the tint toward green a bit and it looks perfect. For some reason green/yellow bias cameras are harder to get the red/magentas correct in the skin. It's very subtle though in the comparison. Both look great IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 1 hour ago, Kristoferman said: I watched that video assuming the left side was Ursa given the opinions here that the skin tones look better on the BM. I think the ursa skin tones are way too magenta. I prefer the look of the kine. Yeah, I preferred the kine as well. not sure I saw a magenta problem in the ursa. Maybe the kine reminded me of Red colors, like orange skintones, which I've come to like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 The curve on the Kine looks flatter to me, maybe that's the reason why the face seems more threedimensional on the ursa. There is also this orange thing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrgl Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 He also posted single DNG frames for either camera: https://www.dropbox.com/s/8mbqjt2g107fyfu/UrsaMini46k_vs_Kinemax%2BLUTs.rar?dl=0 There's color noise in the shadows of the Kine whereas I can't seem to find any in the Ursa. Highlight roll off appears smoother with the Ursa. Kine is crazy sharp. Could be down to focus, lens, whatever; but the Kine is almost unpleasantly sharp. Nikkor and Zak Forsman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy Jones Posted May 5, 2016 Author Share Posted May 5, 2016 The UM46 is definitely the nicer image. I spotted it right off. the dng's tell the same story. Hopefully the 5K Terra is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squig Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 7 hours ago, Zak Forsman said: dont get me wrong, i'm eagerly anticipating the 5K Terra. but side by side here I thought the skin tones on the BMD looked more natural than the Kinefinity. which surprised me. maybe it's the grade. Yeah I liked the Ursa shot better too. The Kine looked a bit Ken doll. But it's nothing definitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRenaissanceMan Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 This must really be a taste thing, because I've seen lots of comments both ways on various forums saying the Kinefinity or the BM had better color. It's not a very definitive comparison; we don't know enough about the settings and conditions to draw any hard and fast conclusions. Also, keep in mind that the 6K sensor only captures the full 16 stops of DR when downsampled. The full 6K has slightly less at 14 stops. Personally, I think the Kine color looks a bit richer while the BM is more neutral. Kine has nicer motion, BM has cleaner shadows. Kine has higher resolution, BM has less rolling shutter. There's some amazing footage out there from the Kinemax, whereas the 4.6K...it looks good, but has yet to really wow me from an aesthetic standpoint. I'm excited to see what we get from the 5K, as that seems to be the more comparable sensor to the Ursa Mini. silvertonesx24 and neosushi 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neosushi Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 9 hours ago, TheRenaissanceMan said: This must really be a taste thing, because I've seen lots of comments both ways on various forums saying the Kinefinity or the BM had better color. It's not a very definitive comparison; we don't know enough about the settings and conditions to draw any hard and fast conclusions. Also, keep in mind that the 6K sensor only captures the full 16 stops of DR when downsampled. The full 6K has slightly less at 14 stops. Personally, I think the Kine color looks a bit richer while the BM is more neutral. Kine has nicer motion, BM has cleaner shadows. Kine has higher resolution, BM has less rolling shutter. There's some amazing footage out there from the Kinemax, whereas the 4.6K...it looks good, but has yet to really wow me from an aesthetic standpoint. I'm excited to see what we get from the 5K, as that seems to be the more comparable sensor to the Ursa Mini. I completely agree with that ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Without a baseline I'm not certain what can really be discovered here. If it's color science I think it's a wash either way... and there is no way to establish which is more true to life. But on the other hand if we are talking about overall image quality, then I believe the superior resolving power of the Kinefinity is quite evident in this video. For that reason I believe the kinefinity gets the win here. That said, many questions still remain about this company and support in the USA. But perhaps MOST IMPORTANTLY... NONE OF THESE IMAGES ARE FROM THE KINEFINITY TERRA... and a lot can change when the sensor is moved into a much smaller body. Sooooo... this shows nothing of values, assuming you are considering the new cameras fromantic Kinefinity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubassy Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 we have had the Kinemax for a few months now. here is a little bit of stock footage shot with it. i look forward to seeing if the terra 5k can match the quality, as the Kinemax' size is its downside for the kind of work we do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvertonesx24 Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 There is a strange purple haze around the subject's eyes when they turn to profile that is only present on the KineMax. Edit: watching it again, whatever that light source is behind the subject is slightly flaring the lens on the KineMax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 18 hours ago, DBounce said: That said, many questions still remain about this company and support in the USA. From what I've read following it in the FB group for Kinefinity it sounds like their support is AMAZING! TheRenaissanceMan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvertonesx24 Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 6 hours ago, IronFilm said: From what I've read following it in the FB group for Kinefinity it sounds like their support is AMAZING! It's questionable, at best. If they want to expand in NA they definitely need a domestic service center and support team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 3 hours ago, silvertonesx24 said: It's questionable, at best. If they want to expand in NA they definitely need a domestic service center and support team. Domestic...? Yes, they have it: in China ;-) But they have some US connection as well. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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