Alex T Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 6 hours ago, AaronChicago said: Bummer news. I was shooting with the 120t indoors and it just didn't feel "extra bright" to me. I'm used to using the Arri 650w fresnel. I put them next to each other and set the Arri to flood. It looks like the 120t is about 3/5 as bright which would put it at around 400-450 watt equivalent. Noooooooo . Can't believe this! I just sold an Arri 650 to fund a 120t. Haha, well at least I haven't bought one yet.. Maybe Ted can chime in with this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 2 hours ago, rotgg said: I dont know if lens would help it get all the way to 1k-1.5k output it is supposed to have I don't think it will, hence the reason I said "brighten" & "brighter" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icarrere Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 terrible magenta corners, hope new operating sistem fixes it On 11/6/2016 at 11:07 AM, AaronChicago said: With the cone reflector it is really narrow. If you take that off its really wide. I don't know the exact angle. Normally yes. In this situation I had alot of natural light coming in through the window (although I was planning on evening sun beaming through). If I were away from the window or in a normal indoor setting, or was shooting in shade close to the subject, then YES it would be bright enough to bounce as a key. Here I had the 120t directly in front of the subject. To the left of the camera. A little bit of diffusion. I haven't done any side by side tests yet but I think it's about equal brightness to an Arri 1K. I own a 650w so I'll do a side by side test soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Forsman Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 11 minutes ago, icarrere said: terrible magenta corners, hope new operating sistem fixes it delete your account. jhnkng 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoferman Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 15 hours ago, AaronChicago said: Bummer news. I was shooting with the 120t indoors and it just didn't feel "extra bright" to me. I'm used to using the Arri 650w fresnel. I put them next to each other and set the Arri to flood. It looks like the 120t is about 3/5 as bright which would put it at around 400-450 watt equivalent. The aputure seems to cover 3-4x the surface area so I'm not sure if direct brightness comparison is valid. sanveer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotgg Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 2 hours ago, Zak Forsman said: delete your account. Great!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcs Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 1 hour ago, Kristoferman said: The aputure seems to cover 3-4x the surface area so I'm not sure if direct brightness comparison is valid. I suspect he put the barn doors down to make it clearer. Seeing the full beam angle would be helpful, though I would guess the ARRI 650 is indeed that much brighter. Folks are stating the Zylight F8 produces more light than a 650W Fresnel ($2100): http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/886683-REG/Zylight_26_01020_F8_LED_Fresnel_Daylight.html drawing 90W vs 135W for the 120t... Efficiency, beam angle, optics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 The barndoors are why the surface area is smaller on the Arri. I talked to Ted via email. He said that the fresnel lens definitely helps brighten the center beam and that he's going to post a video soon comparing the Arri 1K and 120t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icarrere Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Congrats! Now with the FW3.3, seems to be fixed anyway (and for those...I love freedom of speech: perhaps I was unpolite but said what I saw) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squig Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 4 hours ago, AaronChicago said: The barndoors are why the surface area is smaller on the Arri. I talked to Ted via email. He said that the fresnel lens definitely helps brighten the center beam and that he's going to post a video soon comparing the Arri 1K and 120t. The daylight model should be quite a bit brighter too, even more so if you're putting CTB gels on the tungsten model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 2 hours ago, squig said: The daylight model should be quite a bit brighter too, even more so if you're putting CTB gels on the tungsten model. I put CTB on the the photos up top, but I didn't have anything on the side by side with the Arri 650. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanveer Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 10 hours ago, Kristoferman said: The aputure seems to cover 3-4x the surface area so I'm not sure if direct brightness comparison is valid. Seriously. The test is unfair to say the least. The Aputure light is covering between 5 to 9 times the surface area. And barn doors? Also, what are the setting in the shot? The light beam is set to (very) wide. If you were a famous Filmmaker (ala Coppolla), this would have turned into another Zacuto shootout. Though, over here, the underdog (Aputure) seems to be the victim of a bias Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 16 minutes ago, sanveer said: Seriously. The test is unfair to say the least. The Aputure light is covering between 5 to 9 times the surface area. And barn doors? Also, what are the setting in the shot? The light beam is set to (very) wide. If you were a famous Filmmaker (ala Coppolla), this would have turned into another Zacuto shootout. Though, over here, the underdog (Aputure) seems to be the victim of a bias It's not covering 5 to 9 times more. Arri 650 flood beam is 55 degrees. The 120t is 120 degrees without any modifiers. This test I have a reflector cone wihich is shaping it to about 55 degrees. The only reason I used the barn doors was to show the line between the 2 clearly. sanveer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanveer Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 13 minutes ago, AaronChicago said: It's not covering 5 to 9 times more. Arri 650 flood beam is 55 degrees. The 120t is 120 degrees without any modifiers. This test I have a reflector cone wihich is shaping it to about 55 degrees. The only reason I used the barn doors was to show the line between the 2 clearly. You could be right, to quite a degree. Did you use a fresnel lens in the front? On the Curtis Judd channe,l he rated it at 750 watts. I guess, a barn door on both of them, and a similar beam angle for both should help settle this. 1-1.5k light equivalent seems a bit much for it. But, I am waiting for Ted from Aputure to clarify and explain the best way to use the maximum brightness. AaronChicago 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squig Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 44 minutes ago, AaronChicago said: It's not covering 5 to 9 times more. Arri 650 flood beam is 55 degrees. The 120t is 120 degrees without any modifiers. This test I have a reflector cone wihich is shaping it to about 55 degrees. The only reason I used the barn doors was to show the line between the 2 clearly. I suspected it was 120 degrees. The reflector gives it a bit more throw, but not as much as a lens. There's a huge illuminance difference between a focussed 15-55 degree light and a non-focussed 120 degree light. Personally I think it was a bit crazy Aputure releasing this light without the fresnel lens; it's stunted without it. Ledgo make a Bowens mount fresnel lens for $99. I can get one in Australia but I can't find any the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 13 minutes ago, squig said: I suspected it was 120 degrees. The reflector gives it a bit more throw, but not as much as a lens. There's a huge illuminance difference between a focussed 15-55 degree light and a non-focussed 120 degree light. Personally I think it was a bit crazy Aputure releasing this light without the fresnel lens; it's stunted without it. Ledgo make a Bowens mount fresnel lens for $99. I can get one in Australia but I can't find any the US. They're planning on releasing a fresnel adapter later this year. I might look into a third party one on ebay. One of the main reasons that I got this light was to use with a 36" parabolic softbox which I"m planning on testing this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Emery Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Thanks for sharing your thoughts Aaron. After some research I'm going to get the Pixapro MKII+, mainly because I prefer daylight for powerful lights and I like having a narrower beam angle (45 instead of 120) without having to use any modifiers. With the code of this video you get a 5% off, so a light & 120" Easy-setup softbox with grid goes for around 550€ (including shipping cost to EU). The only major drawback is that it's remote control is sold separately, so the price goes up to 580€ if you want one. I would love to use my Aputure remotes (best design IMHO) for all my lights. The 120t still looks like a great neat option for interiors, I might give it a try once it's available directly from European retailers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 3 hours ago, John Emery said: Thanks for sharing your thoughts Aaron. After some research I'm going to get the Pixapro MKII+, mainly because I prefer daylight for powerful lights and I like having a narrower beam angle (45 instead of 120) without having to use any modifiers. With the code of this video you get a 5% off, so a light & 120" Easy-setup softbox with grid goes for around 550€ (including shipping cost to EU). The only major drawback is that it's remote control is sold separately, so the price goes up to 580€ if you want one. I would love to use my Aputure remotes (best design IMHO) for all my lights. The 120t still looks like a great neat option for interiors, I might give it a try once it's available directly from European retailers. What's the wattage equivalent on that one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teemu Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 1 hour ago, AaronChicago said: What's the wattage equivalent on that one? I have one of these lights, but just the mk II not the + version (+ version means v-lock battery option). I really like it and can also recommend it. It's about 1k at full power. Definetly get the mkII version. It's a lot more silent and a bit smaller than the first version. Also good cheap fresnel adapter for the light is this: https://www.amazon.com/Nanguang-NG-10X-Studio-Light-Filter/dp/B011HTRTUG?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B011HTRTUG&linkCode=as2&linkId=TOJXOS6VGXPT3Q6T&redirect=true&ref_=as_li_tl&tag=nitsapictu-20 Nitsan has reviewed same lights and recommended very much it. AaronChicago and IronFilm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 27 minutes ago, Teemu said: I have one of these lights, but just the mk II not the + version (+ version means v-lock battery option). I really like it and can also recommend it. It's about 1k at full power. Definetly get the mkII version. It's a lot more silent and a bit smaller than the first version. Also good cheap fresnel adapter for the light is this: https://www.amazon.com/Nanguang-NG-10X-Studio-Light-Filter/dp/B011HTRTUG?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B011HTRTUG&linkCode=as2&linkId=TOJXOS6VGXPT3Q6T&redirect=true&ref_=as_li_tl&tag=nitsapictu-20 Nitsan has reviewed same lights and recommended very much it. Whoa thanks for the recommendation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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