mercer Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 So, it's been out for a few weeks now, what is the verdict? Does the 60p and longer battery life justify the upgrade from the Pocket? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Forsman Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 I have both and I've only grabbed the Pocket to do side by side comparisons since the Micro arrived. Battery life is the main reason. Even with a Canon LP-E6 battery plate attached to it, that LCD screen (I assume) limits battery life to about an hour. On the Micro I get twice that with the same battery. Headed out this morning to the Santa Monica Airport for another gig that I'm shooting with it. mercer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted May 12, 2016 Author Share Posted May 12, 2016 Good to hear. Do you have a pic of your rig? I have seen a few best offer deals on eBay and I must admit I am tempted. And since there are few small screen options becoming available, I may take the plunge... As long as I can get a small footprint. Is the internal audio any better than the Pocket? 12 minutes ago, Zak Forsman said: I have both and I've only grabbed the Pocket to do side by side comparisons since the Micro arrived. Battery life is the main reason. Even with a Canon LP-E6 battery plate attached to it, that LCD screen (I assume) limits battery life to about an hour. On the Micro I get twice that with the same battery. Headed out this morning to the Santa Monica Airport for another gig that I'm shooting with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Forsman Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Yes, internal audio is better. I still like to use a rode videomicro with it if I want something I can use, if I have to. sounds a touch better but is also more directional than the built-in mic. I'll try to take a picture of my rig today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted May 12, 2016 Author Share Posted May 12, 2016 Sorry, I meant external audio. Do you find that there is any usability, other than a scratch track, with the VideoMicro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Forsman Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 the preamps are better. not great. using the external mic I'd say the audio is useable for documentary or behind the scenes. but I wouldn't rely on it for narrative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raf702 Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 What are you using for monitoring by the way, Smallhd or BMD VA ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Forsman Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 smallhd 502. when weight isn't a factor, sometimes i'll hook up my odyssey 7Q+ and just use it to monitor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted May 12, 2016 Author Share Posted May 12, 2016 Yeah, I would do double sound, and use an external mic for a scratch track, but it's nice to know it is okay in case I pick up something golden. Is the FPN only an issue with Raw or is it also a problem with prores? Thanks for the answers btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Forsman Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 The FPN is hard to see. You have to try very hard to make it an issue. But the potential for it is there regardless if you are capturing RAW or ProRes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Forsman Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 From today's shoot with the Micro in bright california sun. Still amazes me how much detail is retained, especially with all that white in the frame. This is for a client so I can't leave them up indefinitely, but for now... JazzBox, Liam, dahlfors and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted May 12, 2016 Author Share Posted May 12, 2016 I can't believe how amazing that looks... Mind blowing. Does it say in the manual that the micro will make people look like Greg Kinear? Kurtisso 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Forsman Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 haha. no. you'll have to get that actual greg kinnear. nice guy by the way. he saw the micro and asked about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted May 12, 2016 Author Share Posted May 12, 2016 That's cool man. You're living the dream. A couple more questions, if you don't mind... Was that RAW or ProRes? Does the micro suffer from IR pollution like the pocket did? And is ASA 800 still the native ISO... Or ASA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Forsman Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 This was RAW 3:1. Yes, IR can be an issue, just like the Pocket. 800 is the native ISO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted May 13, 2016 Author Share Posted May 13, 2016 I had another look at those grabs and the details really are amazing. The light fall off on his leather jacket is stunning. Hmm. I can't believe there aren't more discussions about this camera! Damnit... Now I have to sell more stuff... Good thing I have enough lenses to film 30 features... So it shouldn't be too hard to raise the capital. Btw, was that with your DSO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Forsman Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Lens setup was my Sigma 18-35mm, Metabones BMPCC/EF Speed Booster, Hoya IR Cut, Hoya ProND 200. MattH, raf702, mercer and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 But basically, you might as well shoot with the BMPCC... given you have your own workarounds for the battery life and don't need the 60p per se? -- or not -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Forsman Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 noise is slightly improved, rolling shutter is improved. I personally prefer the micro brain form factor to the pocket's point and shoot design. adding up all the improvements, there was enough for me to make the upgrade. but that's a call each person needs to make on their own -- if the slight improvements and differences justify the expense. Cinegain and JazzBox 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Yeah, I have 3 BMPCCs lying around, I find 'em manageable to work with. I would've trade-in two of them for one of those BMMCCs if global shutter was part of the package, but alas. But yeah, it does make for a mean actual micro cinema camera. I think the Craft Camera might be the next best thing... if it actually ever gets done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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