hmcindie Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 11 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: ... because we're all slaves in an oligarchy. You will probably end up creating that oligarchy yourself when you move into producing. Especially producing films. Because you have to call people, you have to tell them what to do, what their role is, how long the shoot is, what they get out of it etc etc. When the shoot starts someone has to herd the mindless masses to do the necessary things. You do need an oligarchy to actually produce a film, they don't just happen by themselves when you put a bunch of people together. People are different and have different needs and talents. I have some friends who always seem to complain that they are not doing any short films. But when they start making them, they can't even get them started because they try to operate in this weird "everyone is equal land" without understanding the fundamentals of producing. I believe those filmmaking places what PannySVHS said are very rare so if you guys happen to find one that works for you, try to stick with it. But about blogging and facebooking. There are still LOADS of people trying to find better info and looking into better blogs and stuff. I think the issue is that now that so many people are using the internet, you also get loads of simpler people there too who enjoy just swiping through snippets of "info". How that works, I have no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lintelfilm Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 13 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: What needs to happen is that EOSHD becomes a team of people rather than just me, and that it puts on a good show for YouTube, in the mould of Top Gear or The Grand Tour where presenters travel the world and shoot really beautifully entertaining short films, with the latest camera kit. It's exactly like driving a car through spectacular scenery and presenting the information with wit. I'm amazed nobody has done this yet, however when you consider this... This is one of the most expensive and time consuming form of content there is. I'm up for doing it. It's very difficult though and I don't yet have a team, I don't have the enormous amount of money and I don't have the platform behind me (like Amazon). Yet! For f*cks sake! Of all the people in the EOSHD "community" I'm sure you'll agree I've been one of the most vociferously frustrated and exasperated. Why? Because there's so much that is good and unique about this site and so many unnecessary problems. It's infuriating. I litterally had to beg you to close my account because I got so frustrated but didn't trust myself not to keep coming back (clearly my issue), but here I am again. Why? I have no idea. Maybe just because there's nothing else out there that fills this space. I'm now a working filmmaker and so in a way no longer fit the profile for this site so that may have a lot to do with it (I recently bought a Canon C100 MkII and XC10 to replace my speed boosted GH4 and BMPCC - which I haven't quite been able to part with yet - and yes the Canons are not the greatest cameras on paper but boy does Canon know how to get their priorities right for professionals. For a working video producer the premium price pays for itself very quickly in terms of reliability and solid all-round performance). However I still see myself as an artist (10 years in art school playing with video cameras helps) and have a great personal distaste for corporate-centric content. I too still check your blog regularly and get disappointed by the lack of articles and the frankly rather tired anti-corporate rants. At its best EOSHD is an antidote for corporate bollocks, not a platform to moan about it. You probably don't give a toss what I think, but regardless here it is, my unsolicited opinion in my own inimitably frank and patronising manner: You're clearly very aware that the blog isn't working in it's current form. You're right - it's sinking. The forum may still be going strong but in my opinion there is a poisonous contingent here that is just supporting the sink. However, EOSHD is still one of the highest ranking video sites - in fact it's only really second to No Film School (which is ahead by some margin) in its category. My point is that you need to make a decision. Do you accept that EOSHD was built on the wave of the GH2 and is now largely irellevant (this is how you sound most of the time these days, though I don't believe it). Or do you acknowledge that you still have something valuable with a large audience, a unique perspective and a desire to see it grow before it's too late? What do I think needs to change? I think you need to put aside the chip on your shoulder and acknowledge to yourself that you are a professional blogger. Despite what you seem to think, that doesn't necessarily have to mean bowing to "the man", selling out or it not being fun anymore. It means not using it as a platform for complaining, having a clearer raison d'etre and setting up a system that means you don't have to work yourself into the ground just to keep things afloat. I envy you because you are in a unique position to do this. You really are. There are hundreds of thousands of people out there who would give their right arm to have the audience and status that you have, but you're too stubborn to make it happen. Its glaringly obvious that its your own pig-headedness that is stopping this from happening. What do I think you should do? Simple. One name: Brian Clark. Read and listen to everything he's ever said, done or been part of. Copyblogger, Rainmaker, etc, etc. I'd start with the Unemployable podcast. Even pay them to help you. Get on the Rainmaker platform even. It's exactly what you need to help you make the decisions you need to make. Fuck, with your audience you could probably get to talk with him or his team directly. I imagine that you'll shrug this off as the suggestion you monetise EOSHD, but it isn't. Really. I'm practically a f*cking communist, I would never suggest that. I'm saying that you need to decide whether you want a future doing this or not - and if you do, whether you want it to thrive and and grow leave you with time and space to pursue the things you want to pursue. Brian Clark can help you do that. He understands the kind of platform and content that you are about. As for getting other people writing for/with you, that doesn't have to be a problem. We live in a time when you don't have to live near the people you work with. Don't be resistant to that idea. OK patronising rant over. The final thing I'll say - and this is an aside (more a personal thought than anything) - if you do want to make substantial changes I'm sure rebranding would be an option. If you didn't want to stick with EOSHD (I have no idea how you feel about this) then I think your own name carries enough weight to do whatever you want. Needless to say this isn't intended as a trollish attack. I've put my time aside to write this because, although I've more or less given up on it, I do actually care about this website. Good luck whatever choices you decide to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icarrere Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Hi Andrew, make a journey, alone, to a very different country. Just my two cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viet Bach Bui Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 It would be nice if this blog/forum became a place for hobbyists like myself to discuss the art of making a good film/video rather than a place where people bicker over gear choices. I know there's a subforum for that here already but to post there would be like posting in the Video forum at DPReview. If you're tired of gear, why not shift the focus to what you can do with it? Lintelfilm, Hanriverprod, kidzrevil and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timotheus Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Andrew, sorry to hear you´re having a hard time inspiration-wise. But man, you built something worthy here. There is tremendous value in the site as it as, and in the community that surrounds it through the forums. I share your contempt of the amounts of crap that flood the net, but I am puzzled why it so demotivates you, seeing the activity in this forum and in this very thread. Now I don't know (the change in) your traffic numbers, or what you want them to be. But the people that come here, seem to do so for quality and most contributors are sincere and mean well. Actually I think that sites/communities as this prove there ís a market for good content, in spite of the flooding shite elsewhere. Other places I like to visit for good content and atmosphere is Tony Northrups channel and (on another topic) the former Gametrailers guys, now working under the Easy Allies moniker. Checking EosHD and the forum has become part of my daily routine. I enjoy coming here and feel inspired; getting into anamorphics as a hobby is this site's fault entirely ;-) So yeah, this place means something to people, sure does to me, so thanks for that. I hope that helps a little to keep your fire burning :-) Ed_David 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted May 20, 2016 Administrators Share Posted May 20, 2016 3 hours ago, Bùi Bách Việt said: It would be nice if this blog/forum became a place for hobbyists like myself to discuss the art of making a good film/video rather than a place where people bicker over gear choices. I know there's a subforum for that here already but to post there would be like posting in the Video forum at DPReview. If you're tired of gear, why not shift the focus to what you can do with it? I'm very happy with EOSHD being about gear, it's good to specialise and to have a niche to focus on. I love the tech, always will. From my own experience, I'm just not sure how much real value can be had from online articles about the art of filmmaking, it's something you're best off learning by actually doing it rather than reading about it. NoFilmSchool built a mainstream audience that transcended the gear community by mentioning Kubrick and PT Anderson a lot in clickbate headlines - the content was ALWAYS stolen and by someone else - the aggregation of material in a massive way. Poor original content creators make nothing from exposure at all whilst the aggregators gobble up ALL the traffic and sell ads around it, in the case of NFS they even had US venture capitalists funding huge online advertising campaigns, expert SEO and very very large social media followings acquired the non-organic way, I don't even consider them as competition to EOSHD any more, they are something different and I'd never go to them for camera advice or for a singular voice. The whole site may as well be computer generated. Despite my temporary loss of appetite for blogging and the need to get some inspiration back in my filmmaking by moving out of Berlin, EOSHD is very strong at the moment, the forum has never been busier, the cameras have never been better and the visitor numbers are still as good as ever. Don't forget, we were first or one of the very first blogs to capture the community. That's why it was such a shame that the cat man Philip Bloom stopped blogging, I really miss his longer posts outside all the social media stuff. I didn't go back to the site at all when he stopped (apart from his very occasional reviews) because his forum didn't pull me in like it does here, there's still plenty to read on EOSHD when I am away. I think the forum could go on the front page actually with the best topics in the sidebar. It's a superb resource! The internet has changed though. People's reading habits and viewing habits are changing. Some movie trailers even now have 8 second trailers for the trailer, because of Facebook. There is definitely a race to the bottom going on in the content world. There's going to be some big victims too. First one might be Twitter.... it now has such a low engagement per post because the feed is a mess and each tweet it like a grain of sand in the beach, significant stuff is so easy to miss on there, even whole conversations. Personally I won't be focussing much on that from now on. I think Twitter is going to get sidelined by a lot of people and will eventually be superseded by an alternative. Facebook is a monster, it will continue to hoover up half the entire internet and make it worse. Already there are very active camera discussion groups on there... why people would use them over a proper forum I have no idea... it's so viral though because of the newsfeed and sharing element. The danger is that Facebook ends up siphoning off a ton of traffic from the better independent sites and selling ads around them, just like NoFilmSchool does, as the main 'go to' source for discussions and news Philip Bloom is now much bigger on social media than he is on his blog... in fact blogs are being hoovered up by YouTube and Facebook. He has a massively high profile on Facebook and Instagram with very regular posts and I only ever update the EOSHD Facebook page when there's a new blog post - I think that needs to change. There's a ton of stuff I'm doing behind the scenes which could go on social media but I'm not enough of a narcissist to really take it to the next level So if forums will be superseded by Facebook groups and blogs superseded by YouTube channels and Facebook and news aggregators, it will be a real loss for the internet because there won't be a motivation for anyone to create long-form original content any more or proper communities like this one, it will ALL be about 8 second trailers for trailers, gimmicks, clickbate headlines and trolling. Very sad direction for the internet in my opinion. The thing I am most proud of over the past 5 years of EOSHD are the regular readers and the EOSHD Shooter's Guides. I get a bundle of inspiration from people and I try to put some back into the pool too. I will get my inspiration back soon enough and EOSHD will have a bigger presence on YouTube and Facebook and Instagram. Thanks to those in the thread who have posted messages of support! Means a lot and really does get the fire burning again. PannySVHS, j_one, Stakers and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Daniel Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said: There's going to be some big victims too. First one might be Twitter.... it now has such a low engagement per post because the feed is a mess and each tweet it like a grain of sand in the beach, significant stuff is so easy to miss on there, even whole conversations. Personally I won't be focussing much on that from now on. I think Twitter is going to get sidelined by a lot of people and will eventually be superseded by an alternative. Facebook is a monster, it will continue to hoover up half the entire internet and make it worse. Already there are very active camera discussion groups on there... why people would use them over a proper forum I have no idea... it's so viral though because of the newsfeed and sharing element. The danger is that Facebook ends up siphoning off a ton of traffic from the better independent sites and selling ads around them, just like NoFilmSchool does, as the main 'go to' source for discussions and news One of the biggest issues with sharing great content is that it's much harder to do now on social media because the platforms have been monetised. You need an "advertising" budget so you can pay to boost posts that would otherwise not be seen by the majority of your followers and others. Alongside all the random clips of women slapping their ass, gifs, auto-play drunk people videos, cheesy meme's etc... the content you share gets over-saturated by all the other bollocks around it. Social media is SO distracting that when you are trying to find something useful, you end up going off on this great tangent where you end up watching a funny cats compilation instead. This is because we are bombarded by endless bollocks and the good content gets covered in shit. When I first started my video business, Facebook was a massive client stream for me. Everyone could see my content and I got bookings. I even had a weird fan club. Since the platform has become monetised... the only people that see my videos now is my mother. SEO is so over-saturated it's hardly worth bothering with on a limited budget, so I've had to reinvent my entire plan COMPLETELY just so I can adapt to this crazy online world. I have to be MUCH MORE than just a video producer. You have to be on top of everything. And most of it isn't even online - it's what you do in person. EOSHD has always been great place to post and read stuff. I've always had the ideas and drive to create. But I remember forcing myself to learn about as much video techie stuff as possible, and read forum posts over and over thinking "what on earth is this 10 bit 422 thing people are on about?" Second nature now. You can evolve the platform of EOSHD for sure. I'd definitely work on your shooters guides and LUTs and make an online store or something, with relevant articles and the forum. Get different members around the globe to make a themed video using the latest mirrorless camera, with your shooters guides and LUTS... put it together as one video and promote it. Make your video community as one that works together to create stuff FOR the video community. Allow users to upload their own tips/techniques/LUTS... create an online bible of everything you need for every enthusiast camera and the best lenses/devices. Every enthusiast camera has it's own EOSHD store and user resource!! Does that make sense? I wouldn't be afraid of making money the commercial way from EOSHD. Fuck it. There's no harm in it. You are spending your time helping the video community and you should be rewarded financially for your hard work. No need for gear adverts. Just yourself asking for money for your material. Like you do now but on STEROIDS. I would also re-brand. In all due respect, I think the name EOSHD and the logo now looks rather dated. I know shitloads of logo and brand designers, if you ever feel you need it. JazzBox, iamoui, Blue Fox and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PannySVHS Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 15 hours ago, Michal Gajdoš said: i would have never guessed. Have you tried 24mm 2.8 FD ? my personal favorite,leave it on 2.8 come close about one meter and let the magic happen ! 24mm F2.8 sounds nice enough to be boosted to f2:) so far the 28 has been a favorite of mine, so light and nice to handle, a pretty one for very low money these days. iamoui 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PannySVHS Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 7 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: That's why it was such a shame that the cat man Philip Bloom stopped blogging, I really miss his longer posts outside all the social media stuff. I will get my inspiration back soon enough and EOSHD will have a bigger presence on YouTube and Facebook and Instagram. Thanks to those in the thread who have posted messages of support! Means a lot and really does get the fire burning again. Yeah, those laid back and charmingly goofy reviews by Philip Bloom were really something. I remember downloading one, so I wouldnt have to be bothered by internet buffer. Then back with a big cup of hot chocolate and a pile of cake and apples I relaxed with this warmhearted, amusing and charming presentation, and outside it was winter in Berlin. Your reviews and videos are awesome, masterful vignettes. Your digital Bolex footage and GH4 review are my most remembered pieces from you, your Tokyo Storm and FS100 anamorphic my EOSHD starters. Your blog plus forum is a dictionary of love for the craft, technical knowhow, treasures and rare gems of knowledge, hey- rare gems of people too! Keep it up, Andrew, this is awesome, you´re awesome! iamoui and Andrew Reid 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 I think the ultimate blog/tutorial/forum site that is an outstanding example of community/money-making/popular is Video Copilot. Andrew Kramer has not only developed a huge following based off of his work and tutorials, but he's helped create some of the best After Effects plug-ins available. Even after working with JJ Abrams on Star Trek, Star Wars, Super 8, etc, he's still active on his site and creating new products/content. I would agree that it's probably much easier to create unique products in AE, as opposed to FCP, Premiere, Avid. BUT, I believe VC is a good business model to research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JazzBox Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 EOSHD changed the way I looked to filmmaking: thanks to your articles, to your advices on shooting handheld, thanks to the precious answers I had from the great people of the forum I grew up a lot! I will be always grateful to you and to this amazing community of kind and expert people for your help and inspiration. Andrew Reid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dahlfors Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 I joined this forum in summer of 2012, and I lurked around and read the forum and blog posts on EOSHD quite some time before that. Since people are commenting on the logo and name of the site: My profession is as a designer, which include the tasks of creating logos, branding and profiling of companies & products. I can say: the branding and logotype don't keep me back from this site. What keeps me coming back is the community here in the forum and your blog posts Andrew. It is the genuine core essence of EOSHD; discussions and information, tips on hardware, tips on how to get the most out of cameras - and good videos by you Andrew - and from the community. Very inspirational. Also, I used to love reading at nofilmschool in the early days. Their rebranding was visually pleasant. But what they did, was to destroy the core (just as previously discussed in this thread): genuine articles from people with a passion for filmmaking and cameras. Somehow their rebranding weeded out the skilled people with interesting discussion too (it existed in the comments section of the blog in the early days). Nowadays I seldom visit that site. I don't see anything wrong with this site having the name 'EosHD', it is a heritage from how the site came to be. The logo perhaps looks a bit dated, but on the other hand it is personal, non-corporate - not like some spam site that just wants to get ad money. Hence it works with the DNA of the community and the blog which are still very personal with genuine opinions. I'm into climbing as well. In the climbing community there's a good example of a blog & site which has a horrible and confusing design: http://www.alanarnette.com/blog/ - yet I love reading that blog and keep finding lots of great content at the site, which makes me return to it, even on mobile, although it's a terrible experience on a mobile device. But I do it because of the great content. In the end, sites with great content that provides learning, new information and good exchange from the users will keep on being relevant (in the meantime the big social media hypes might get replaced by the other latest & greatest competitors over time). And on the inspirational level: I find that you need to take in a lot of creative experiences and process them - to be able to make creative outputs in new directions. My favourite example would be the insane/genius Alejandro Jodorowsky. I remember seeing him lacking ideas for the progression of a story/character in a documentary about him. What did he do? He picked out a book on random, flipped up a page and looked at it - and found something he could use to progress the story in a whole new direction. Whenever I lack creative motivation/inspiration, I try to find something totally new/different/unknown for me to soak in and think about, be it a film, a book, tv series, music, documentary or other form of art. Then I like to contemplate about that to see where my thoughts lead me. Travelling also tend to give me new experiences the same way. My five cents. Cheers! @Andrew Reid Also, with or without inspiration/motivation - I can understand that it takes a while for you to put out the blog posts. It's very visible that a lot of work goes into creating your reviews! And on a lot of other sites, it's very visible which reviews are copy-paste rush jobs... Timotheus and Mars 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 On 5/20/2016 at 6:06 PM, Andrew Reid said: I'm very happy with EOSHD being about gear, it's good to specialise and to have a niche to focus on. (...) The thing I am most proud of over the past 5 years of EOSHD are the regular readers and the EOSHD Shooter's Guides. I get a bundle of inspiration from people and I try to put some back into the pool too. I will get my inspiration back soon enough and EOSHD will have a bigger presence on YouTube and Facebook and Instagram. Thanks to those in the thread who have posted messages of support! Means a lot and really does get the fire burning again. Yep, excellent work going on here. Thx and kudos to Andrew for this. Andrew, I only hope that your bigger presence on the "Monsters" will not result in less quality here, as I don´t have Facebook/Twitter/etc accounts. Don't need the tons of distracting nonsense over there. Looking for the gold nugget in the heaps of sh*t is nothing I´m willing to spend my time on. I think the position of EOSHD is quite comfortable. Yes, if you are VW, you sell millions of cars and belong to the biggest players out there - and somtimes you are in the bad spot-light because of politics or whatever. Nevertheless you earn billions of €€€. On the other end there is Porsche, not selling too many units but still very profitable. Now starting from that set-up it is pretty easy for Porsche to enter the mainstream market from their high-quality-level if they wish to. And they did, works pretty well so far. With their Cayenne/Macan series they discovered a huge gold mine they are digging now since a couple of years. Well, now look at VW and their Phaeteon-endeavor. Quite a disaster. EOSHD is rather in the Porsche position, providing high quality stuff and discussions. Said that, I consider myself being kind of Average-Joe regarding the content I'm producing. Nothing too sophisticated (yet) although my stills-photography is certainly in pro-territory (at least that´s what I'm told). In video I still have a long way to go and this site helps me significantly. I believe that the success of this site could grow further by improving the accessability to the great advice which is already there. What is 10bit 422, why, how to use LUTs and which for which cameras, audio is important, what to use etc. The content is already very good, and further development could carfefully go into the direction of the enthusiast videographer embracing all those who want to stand above all the cat-stuff on facebook. Porsche doesn't produce a VW Golf competitor - a Macan, however, (even though controversial for some) is a huge success. Good luck to Andrew - and to all of us who still appreciate high-quality nuggets in the huge pile of bollocks over the internet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat33 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 There definitely is a race to the bottom and a generally dumbing down of content on the internet -if the trend keeps up then we will all need to be taking ritalin to keep our attention spans long enough to read anything longer than paragraph. But there was a time where well researched, comprehensive, and balanced content was popular and attracted a number of readers, enough to make a number of sites sustainable. Have all of these people being assimilated by the short attention span masses or are they still out there, lamenting at the fact that the resources they once enjoyed are a shadow of there former selfs (not saying that eosHD is this)? If these people are still out there (which I think they are), then surely there is a niche for good long-format content? These 'traditional' high quality blogs aren't going to see the kind of views that you might get on clickbait sites, Facebook and Instagram, but does that matter if the views are from the 'right' people? I think we might end up seeing a bit of a reversal of the mobile OS craze, once more people start waking up to the fact that it is difficult to be productive on a mobile device (and even a maxi-pad screen isn't going to help). As a parent, I could see my son becoming very familiar with iOS, but apart from drawing and reading (which he could do with paper/pencils/books) he was just consuming content. Now there is nothing wrong with this but I want him to also be able to be productive, to create and contribute to society, and to understand how a computer, networks, html etc works rather than just being able to push a icon with his finger. So he is starting to learn how to use a laptop (with Linux to boot). I saw recently that a school district in the US has canceled their order for iPads and replaced them with laptops for their older students after surveying what teachers and students actually wanted -so maybe its starting already. I think for some of us, gear is a way to reenergise our creative mojo. We might live somewhere that isn't very inspiring, or have family/job commitments that limit what we can realistically achieve when filming. A new camera or lens, is a way to get excited about filming again, a new way to look at familiar scenes and activities, a reason to put the time and effort in, a new challenge to extract the best IQ possible. At the moment there is a lull in new gear -we may have hit 'peak IQ' for current tech and we are only seeing smaller incremental improvements but have been used to the ground breaking announcements (just look at this years NAB compared to previous years). We are like gear junkies, who are being weaned from the frequent highs to a more sustainable state, and it may be a bit of a downer for some. On the bright side, it is a relief that the camera you brought 6-12 months ago is not obsolete yet and a chance to look at our true motivations for filming. If Andrew is looking for inspiration for a post -I would suggest a part 2 review of the digital bolex -it has come a long way since the original post and no other blog or site has formally looked at again, and I think fits in perfectly to the ethos of this site. Oh and by the way, thanks Andrew for all of the excellent work. norliss 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Drake Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 On 2016-05-19 at 4:09 PM, MountneerMan said: So Calgary is definitely not the best looking place in the world but Banff is just 1 1/2 hours away and that is one of the most beautiful places in the world. I think its pretty typical for people to not appreciative the beauty they see everyday. Personally one of my favorite things about traveling is when I come home I try to keep that tourist mindset for a few days and walk around with a camera as if I am a tourist and shoot everything. Its also interesting to sometimes compare some of that footage to the stuff you shot on your vacation. Its always a nice surprise when it looks just as good if not better. We would shoot in Banff every other week if we didn't need to pay for commercial permits to shoot there. We've been able to spring for them or find loopholes a couple times, but mostly, we have to stay out of national parks. Jordan @ TCSTV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Matthews Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 On 5/20/2016 at 6:06 PM, Andrew Reid said: So if forums will be superseded by Facebook groups and blogs superseded by YouTube channels and Facebook and news aggregators, it will be a real loss for the internet because there won't be a motivation for anyone to create long-form original content any more or proper communities like this one, it will ALL be about 8 second trailers for trailers, gimmicks, clickbate headlines and trolling. Very sad direction for the internet in my opinion. I have more faith that people will be tired of the the one-liners. It's already happening. What happens when Facebook is full of only that? Do they actually have any real value after? What does one gain from going there? I prefer EOSHD. Community is still king... always has been. This site brings people with similar interests together. I'm quite happy with it. I know many people who HATE Facebook, but only feel they have to use it because everyone uses it. I check mine once a week. I check this site daily. kidzrevil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rs3d Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 @andrew If you are in Berlin at the moment check out Julian Rosefeldt: Manifesto at Hamburger Bahnhof, lots of fantastic and inspiring locations shot in and around Berlin... maybe this sparks some ideas... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 The internet is a big place.... There will always, always be people who would prefer long blogs, in depth forum discussions and a community vibe. You are clearly retaining those type of people, so I would just forget about the Twitter generation and how other sites are moving to that sort of format.... Most people will choose content based on a headline, lead text and photo, but then root into the content of anything that catches the eye... Flipboard is a perfect example of this and their usage stats suggest that people are very interested in content that goes beyond a paragraph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_David Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Agreed with Jimmy Trying to have a discussion on facebook is not as easy as a forum such as this one. The internet has really changed. I don't go on vimeo really that much anymore - it is mostly facebook And if I was younger, snapchat - god I hate facebook. Instagram bores me. I just read news sites. I think you have a great spirit Andrew as others have said to promote creativity over pure tech stuff - also finding value in equipment from the past. But, damn, if its wasting your time, move on man. If the costs are too high, just ask people to donate via paypal if they use the site. And yes, buying and selling gear constantly is hard, and it depreciates in value so quickly. I still think there can be a lot of interesting articles on new lighting and lenses and older stuff as well to achieve results. I'm about to post some 16mm style film I did with a panasonic sdx900 hooked up to a pix 240 - yes the dslr revolution is over - that was an exciting and scary time and people turned to you and Mr Bloomy to see what they could do with the transition. anyway, if its not fun for you anymore, just burn it down. Hit that button like Batman does to blow up his factory and go shoot some film or direct or do other stuff. Don't become a fossilized zombie like dvxuser or reduser. God those forums are pathetic. Dave Maze 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Holder Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Here is a suggestion, I am so sick of seeing long rambling youtube videos that have undisciplined scripting, editing and presentation that take 10 minutes to deliver a 2 minute message. Often transferring no real info (unboxing videos anyone?) of knowledge Video is what we are all fluent in - maybe that is the medium that should be pursued If we claim to be the masters of (or at least pursuing) the execution of elegantly produced video messages into the minds of viewers Then Perhaps Most of your blog posts should actually be produced videos. (with a smaller amount of supporting text) That way you get to do what you love. And make some more abstract as well as factual content. And we encourage community participation in this format - with the odd video challenge thrown in. All of my instagram posts are now 90% videos because I am a video producer and it made sense for me to back myself by working in sound and moving pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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