Nicolas MAILLET Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Just remember how the mark III was disappointing besides the mark II... The only major boost was thanks to Magic Lantern... And without magic lantern the only thing i considered a good step up in the video field was the lack of aliasing and moire... But it was disappointing... Some people asked themselves if they would go for the upgrade... I've made it, and really enjoyed the hack of Magic Lantern. Really enjoyed. Then i think Canon will do the same with the mark IV... Poor codec, poor output, maybe 4K, certainly the DPAF and we're done... Oh, maybe one slot with CFAST ? Nothing really WOW... Price ? 3900 euros body only, thanks to the "needed everywhere" 4K. No thanks Canon. I'll keep my 5D mark III as a really good camera for itself. Great still camera, and very good video camera when ML Hacked with some pros and cons. Time will tell. Nothing that what we say right now will change things, anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 4 hours ago, Jimmy said: 60fps... 4:2:2 high bit rate. You think they'd go with 8bit 4:2:0 bit if they're using CFast 2.0 cards? It's one way they could cripple it and separate the two I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Daniel Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Give us a Super35 sensor with 10 bit, 4K, decent 120fps, DPAF and C-log in an improved XC10 style body with interchangeable mount and that would be gold! 5D Mk IV will never get Clog. Remember that the C100 Mk III is due within the year. They will want the dedicated video shooters to buy that. Tiago Rosa-Rosso 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jax_rox Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Eh, by October there'll probably be another Sony camera out, and even possibly a GH5. A Canon camera that barely competes with last year's specs is not going to compete with next year's specs. But hey, it's Canon - so 75% of the people on here and a whole bunch of other people will all buy it and tell themselves it's the greatest camera in the world. Also, they're going to have to offer more than H.264. Say what you will about Sony, but at least we get XAVC-S, and 4:2:2 via HDMI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gelaxstudio Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 This is what I bet 5D4 will be (90%) 4K 30P and FHD 120P shot 4K with 1.5 crop (even double-chips 1DXII has to crop for 4k,no exceptions for 5D4 ) 24M pixels (on-chip ADC) the same focus system like 1DXII including DPAF Mjpeg for 4K,500M/s ( class-leading compression quality,uh... and Cfast cards only) WIFI touchscreen dual cards slots: And then a bunch of NO no c-log (100% sure) no peaking no zebra (100% sure) no 4k output (100% sure) no tilting LCD (100% sure) no oversampling or full pixels read out for FHD (100% sure) no HDR video mode (50% sure) Finally,priced around $3800 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Ashcraft Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 I truly don't understand why everyone is so adamant about having C-Log on the 5D4. I've got it on the C100 mk 2 and rarely if ever use it. Its just a massive pain in the but when shooting and grading. Images are just great using Wide DR, or even some of the more basic profiles. dbp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gelaxstudio Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 3 hours ago, Zach Ashcraft said: I truly don't understand why everyone is so adamant about having C-Log on the 5D4. I've got it on the C100 mk 2 and rarely if ever use it. Its just a massive pain in the but when shooting and grading. Images are just great using Wide DR, or even some of the more basic profiles. Without c-log ,5D4 only get poor DR like a cellphone~ Without log and supersampling ,it make no difference,and just like the IQ of 5D2 in 2008,except the 4k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted May 24, 2016 Super Members Share Posted May 24, 2016 6 minutes ago, gelaxstudio said: Without c-log ,5D4 only get poor DR like a cellphone~ Without log and supersampling ,it make no difference,and just like the IQ of 5D2 in 2008,except the 4k C-log and Wide DR has pretty much the same DR. Both way higher than a cellphone. Jimmy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmcindie Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 5 hours ago, Zach Ashcraft said: I truly don't understand why everyone is so adamant about having C-Log on the 5D4. Same way as everyone loves s-log on the a7s. Until they use it and switch back to the cineprofiles, hehe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 I'm not 100% giving up on ML getting their hands on this. People point to a lack of activity, but the 5D4 will be the first massive launch that could see them interested again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweak Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 ML is done. 5D4 wont get ML and all serious shooters will stick with 5D3. Confirmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 31 minutes ago, tweak said: ML is done. 5D4 wont get ML and all serious shooters will stick with 5D3. Confirmed. Confirmed by who? Please give a link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinad Amir Posted May 24, 2016 Author Share Posted May 24, 2016 2 hours ago, tweak said: ML is done. 5D4 wont get ML and all serious shooters will stick with 5D3. Confirmed. What u talking about? ML will never stop on their projects its just matter of time before they start working on 5D realease can u back your statment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweak Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 I was being sarcastic. That being said, I think with the ML team deep in their own camera projects hoping for a 5D4 ML release anytime soon would be foolhardy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 As soon as the 5D4 is out, they will be checking the code out.. I'm sure. They are quiet right now because what is the point in hacking cameras like the 80D, that get used by vloggers who post straight to youtube? The 5D4 will be a massive, massive launch and everyone will be clamouring for ML... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Yeah hoping on 14+ stops DR that can be used in Raw ml. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Yea, would be amazing... Even if they can only enable 1080p raw, the new sensor DR, ISO and AF will be amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil A Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 But aren't the "main people" from Magic Lantern involved in the Apertus Axiom project now? Wonder how much time to spare they have for a 5D IV hack. tweak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Daniel Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 7 hours ago, hmcindie said: Same way as everyone loves s-log on the a7s. Until they use it and switch back to the cineprofiles, hehe. Not me I'm afraid. I find Slog2 one of the best things about the A7S cameras. If you know how to expose Slog2 and how to grade it well, it's a fantastic feature to have. The dynamic range is much better than the Cine profiles, as is the rolloff from shadows to highlights. There's a huge difference. I echo the need for Clog. I find it much better than using other profiles and get the results I want. It's not for everyone though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kubrickian Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 13 hours ago, Zach Ashcraft said: I truly don't understand why everyone is so adamant about having C-Log on the 5D4. I've got it on the C100 mk 2 and rarely if ever use it. Its just a massive pain in the but when shooting and grading. Images are just great using Wide DR, or even some of the more basic profiles. I gotta say I couldn't disagree more. C-log is a pleasure to grade and I've noticed artifacts and poor high ISO performance in Wide-DR. Clog, ride or die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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