racer5 Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 10bit internal, global shutter. If it has those two things I will return to the Lumix ecosystem. If it lacks those, none of the other bells and whistles matter to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidzrevil Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 On June 23, 2016 at 0:02 PM, DIGIKUVAUS said: NX1 has very bad audio? Could Andrew explain this a little bit? Turn your external mic volume up and the in camera audio volume down. It helps lower the audio noise floor On June 23, 2016 at 7:46 PM, Ebrahim Saadawi said: i'll buy one when i see a non-video mage that I LIKE , eveerything else is irrelevant When they allow us to load film stock into our digital cameras you'll get the non-video image you are looking for ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRenaissanceMan Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 But they have. The G7 was a huge step forward in low light performance. Not as good as the Sony, but a damn good performance nonetheless. John Matthews, kidzrevil, RubanCam and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ebrahim Saadawi Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 4 hours ago, kidzrevil said: Turn your external mic volume up and the in camera audio volume down. It helps lower the audio noise floor When they allow us to load film stock into our digital cameras you'll get the non-video image you are looking for ? Or load a 1DC/Alexa/BM2.5 sensor! This is actually not true. Because, nas it turns out, int's not at all the sensors that represent the bottleneck here, that film look we're raving for turns out to be all due to pricessing the gorgeous raw filmic data all these sensors send out. The devil is in the processing. It's all the image processing. They must hire creative managers to tune that step and not leave it to absolute engineering because this leads to an image that looks too technically perfect, perfectly compressed and into a small neat file with a pretty contrasty/natural look. Image processing stage must be led by artists, not engineers. Canon/arri get that, panasonic and sony do not. AT least not in their nin-cinema linesof cameras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidzrevil Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 4 hours ago, TheRenaissanceMan said: But they have. The G7 was a huge step forward in low light performance. Not as good as the Sony, but a damn good performance nonetheless. people sleep on these cameras because the average joe could go into B&H and buy it. They perform admirably as seen here. Whether you pick up the G7 or a6300 you aint losing but the film "I shot on a RED before !" snobs refuse to admit it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Matthews Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 5 hours ago, TheRenaissanceMan said: But they have. The G7 was a huge step forward in low light performance. Not as good as the Sony, but a damn good performance nonetheless. Would I be wrong in saying the problem of low light has been solved for the majority of us? We have great high ISO performance, speedboosters, and fast lenses. What is the new frontier? Codecs, stabilization, color rendition, DR? These cameras make me wonder where we're going next. Is it going to be 3D, VR, something else? Gimmicks? Orangenz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidzrevil Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 @John Matthews my guess is stabilization will be the new wave. I can see companies trying their best to give us good in body stabilization i.e. panasonic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted June 26, 2016 Super Members Share Posted June 26, 2016 2 hours ago, John Matthews said: Would I be wrong in saying the problem of low light has been solved for the majority of us? We have great high ISO performance, speedboosters, and fast lenses. What is the new frontier? Codecs, stabilization, color rendition, DR? These cameras make me wonder where we're going next. Is it going to be 3D, VR, something else? Gimmicks? Bright light is my nr1 issue the last couple of years. ISO800 solved any lowlight problems I ever had. The Digital Bolex gives me a nice iso 160. But I dream of a nice and clean native ISO 50. The constant ND workaround is getting boring. I've started skipping the 180 degree shutter to get around it. sgreszcz, John Matthews and DevonChris 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Matthews Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 1 hour ago, Mattias Burling said: Bright light is my nr1 issue the last couple of years. ISO800 solved any lowlight problems I ever had. The Digital Bolex gives me a nice iso 160. But I dream of a nice and clean native ISO 50. The constant ND workaround is getting boring. I've started skipping the 180 degree shutter to get around it. I can understand. ISO 800 almost requires ND filter for everything but indoor or studio stuff (I assume you're talking about your beloved BMPCC). Maybe the next version (if it ever comes) will be what you want. The tools keep getting better and cheaper... when will it stop? The search goes on for the perfect camera for Gunpowder. Keep up the great work you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevonChris Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 If the GH5 is to be predominantly for video then having in-built ND's would be hugely beneficial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckster Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 how does the sensor compare G7 vs say the latest GX80/GX85 ? is the G7 newer tech and therefore lower noise etc or about on par ? presumably G7 and GX8 same sensor ? but GX85 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Coffee Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 6 hours ago, kidzrevil said: @John Matthews my guess is stabilization will be the new wave. I can see companies trying their best to give us good in body stabilization i.e. panasonic How about an AI electronic virtual focus puller with voice recognition:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRenaissanceMan Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 2 hours ago, Buckster said: how does the sensor compare G7 vs say the latest GX80/GX85 ? is the G7 newer tech and therefore lower noise etc or about on par ? presumably G7 and GX8 same sensor ? but GX85 ? G7 and GX85 use the same 16MP sensor. The GX85 doesn't have an AA filter, but for video the quality is identical. The GX8 is a completely different 20MP sensor. Michael Coffee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckster Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 theRenaissanceMan - thanks very much for the reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRenaissanceMan Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 6 hours ago, Mattias Burling said: Bright light is my nr1 issue the last couple of years. ISO800 solved any lowlight problems I ever had. The Digital Bolex gives me a nice iso 160. But I dream of a nice and clean native ISO 50. The constant ND workaround is getting boring. I've started skipping the 180 degree shutter to get around it. D810 has a native ISO of 64. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Coffee Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 38 minutes ago, TheRenaissanceMan said: G7 and GX85 use the same 16MP sensor. The GX85 doesn't have an AA filter, but for video the quality is identical. The GX8 is a completely different 20MP sensor. So is the gx8 the same sensor as the GH4? I will be happy if the gx85 holds up like the g7 at higer iso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRenaissanceMan Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Just now, Michael Coffee said: So is the gx8 the same sensor as the GH4? I will be happy if the gx85 holds up like the g7 at higer iso The GX8 is a 20 MP sensor...so still no. Not the same as any other Panasonic camera. The GX85 and G7 have identical low light performance, as they have the same sensor and same processing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Coffee Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Sounds good.. motion seems to be better in the gx85 than my gx7 for sure.. my number one wish for the gh5 would be better video autofocus I think. Hope Panasonic can catch up with the others in this dept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckster Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 I'd have been tempted with a GX8 as I like the form and fit - it feels nice in the hand BUT I get absolutely fed up with having to consider shutter shock all the time on my G6 (with my 14-140 MKII) add the built in IS and its a no brainer Michael Coffee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Coffee Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Just now, Buckster said: I'd have been tempted with a GX8 as I like the form and fit - it feels nice in the hand BUT I get absolutely fed up with having to consider shutter shock all the time on my G6 (with my 14-140 MKII) add the built in IS and its a no brainer I am all over the gx85 and can't wait to get a hold of one - it seems they have fixed the colours alot, my major gripe with the gx7 - was about to go into Canon's again - but with the ibis, for me the gx85 seems to be the best "pocket cinema" camera yet.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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