TheRenaissanceMan Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Motion is indeed weird. Looks like either struggling OIS or too high a shutter speed. It MUST be a settings thing, because I've never seen 24p at 1/50 look that noticeably bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidzrevil Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 1 hour ago, TheRenaissanceMan said: Motion is indeed weird. Looks like either struggling OIS or too high a shutter speed. It MUST be a settings thing, because I've never seen 24p at 1/50 look that noticeably bad. literally all the fuji xt2 footage I've seen has that stuttering motion like it drops a random frame ever so often. Definitely stopped me from picking one up for myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damoke Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 11 hours ago, kidzrevil said: literally all the fuji xt2 footage I've seen has that stuttering motion like it drops a random frame ever so often. Definitely stopped me from picking one up for myself I feel the same way, but knowing fujis philosophy, im waiting a bit for them to fix it in the next firmware update, also internal F-log. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted September 28, 2016 Author Super Members Share Posted September 28, 2016 26 minutes ago, damoke said: I feel the same way, but knowing fujis philosophy, im waiting a bit for them to fix it in the next firmware update, also internal F-log. 12 hours ago, kidzrevil said: literally all the fuji xt2 footage I've seen has that stuttering motion like it drops a random frame ever so often. Definitely stopped me from picking one up for myself 13 hours ago, TheRenaissanceMan said: Motion is indeed weird. Looks like either struggling OIS or too high a shutter speed. It MUST be a settings thing, because I've never seen 24p at 1/50 look that noticeably bad. Out of curiosity, what type of screens are you using. Do they have automatic switch between Hz? Just wondering because I only see a problem when using a screen at work that is locked at 60Hz. Most screens as you know can switch back and fourth. But in the past its happened more than once that someone from an NTSC land says there is "frame drops" in videos that Ive uploaded in 25p. When asked to check on a smartphone or other screen they report that the issue is gone. I suspect the clip above is made in PAL and it looks fine on my screens, accept my 60Hz only Synkmaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damoke Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 8 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said: Out of curiosity, what type of screens are you using. Do they have automatic switch between Hz? Just wondering because I only see a problem when using a screen at work that is locked at 60Hz. Most screens as you know can switch back and fourth. But in the past its happened more than once that someone from an NTSC land says there is "frame drops" in videos that Ive uploaded in 25p. When asked to check on a smartphone or other screen they report that the issue is gone. I suspect the clip above is made in PAL and it looks fine on my screens, accept my 60Hz only Synkmaster. Im in PAL land, and im watching on a 27" dell ultrasharp and on a secondary crappy benq 21" both 60Hz. i Just watched the video above on a smartphone and still notice the motion thing, its a little bit less noticeable but i feel that its because of screen size. cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lothar Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 17 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said: Out of curiosity, what type of screens are you using. Do they have automatic switch between Hz? Just wondering because I only see a problem when using a screen at work that is locked at 60Hz. Most screens as you know can switch back and fourth. But in the past its happened more than once that someone from an NTSC land says there is "frame drops" in videos that Ive uploaded in 25p. When asked to check on a smartphone or other screen they report that the issue is gone. I suspect the clip above is made in PAL and it looks fine on my screens, accept my 60Hz only Synkmaster. Another possibility could be using slow SD cards. I remember trying a not recommended SD card in my BMPCC for raw. This resulted in droping frames. Did anyone see this with my videos? I was using a LEXAR SDXC 2000x. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no_connection Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 You can frame-step through some parts and still see the problem frame by frame. Having a p frame codec would not result in dropped frames when writing to card but corrupt data and generally weird stuff. If you framestep through the part at 1:42 going under the bridge it seems to speed up then slow down, taking small jumps then a big jump then small jump then two big jumps etc. Scene after shows the same type of thing. Does not seem to be OIS ether as even traveling large amount by boat in a line causes it. It looks like the capture timing have huge jitter to it. Someone need to put a counter in front if the camera and check. Longer shutter may lessen the effect and look better but not remove it. We need evidence in a controlled environment Even a big rotating thing like a record player then map out the points of rotation and see if gaps are different distance apart would work. youtube video seems to be 29.97fps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidzrevil Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 @Mattias Burling its not a PAL problem. This would literally be the first time I have encountered this. The Fuji XT-2 skips frames...hopefully Fuji will fix it in a firmware update if its brought to their attention Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRenaissanceMan Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 I watched it on my 120hz monitor, but I'll have to throw it up on my DLP projector and see what's really going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted September 28, 2016 Author Super Members Share Posted September 28, 2016 3 hours ago, kidzrevil said: @Mattias Burling its not a PAL problem. This would literally be the first time I have encountered this. The Fuji XT-2 skips frames...hopefully Fuji will fix it in a firmware update if its brought to their attention Not saying it is, was just curious since its such a common problem with any 25p camera. NX1, BMCC, BMPC4K, you name it. Ive had the question on all of them, "is that frame drops?". Always turned out to be NTSC only monitors or playback engines. But its getting less frequent since I doubt any monitors sold today are incapable of adapting to different frame rates. kidzrevil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lothar Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Via Fujirumors (http://www.fujirumors.com/fujifilm-x-t2-download-look-table-lut-f-log-4k-movies/) the news came to me, that Fuji provides a LUT for the 4k F-Log movie data. They provide two files which differ in the black level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanriverprod Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 23 hours ago, Lothar said: Via Fujirumors (http://www.fujirumors.com/fujifilm-x-t2-download-look-table-lut-f-log-4k-movies/) the news came to me, that Fuji provides a LUT for the 4k F-Log movie data. They provide two files which differ in the black level. http://www.fujifilm.com/support/digital_cameras/software/lut/?hootPostID=cd7eab1a64f56e2d30655e8086dfe574 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damoke Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Some more random videos, the Out of this world one is recorded with ND, the rest i dont know, have to say byw images coming out of the Fuji are pretty sweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Holmes Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 This looks nice - the Fuji colors seem to be translating well to the video as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photographer-at-large Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 https://***URL not allowed***/fujifilm-xt2-vs-sony-a7s-ii-best-mirrorless-video-camera/ damoke and Lothar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lothar Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 1 hour ago, photographer-at-large said: https://***URL not allowed***/fujifilm-xt2-vs-sony-a7s-ii-best-mirrorless-video-camera/ Wow, I knew it's good, but now I see test results that prove that the Fujifilm X-T2 is even better than I thought. It was the first time for me, that I pre-ordered something, but I spent my money well. jasonmillard81 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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damoke Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Video starts at about 2 mins in, shot with ND filter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inazuma Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 13 hours ago, photographer-at-large said: https://***URL not allowed***/fujifilm-xt2-vs-sony-a7s-ii-best-mirrorless-video-camera/ Those are some great results. I wonder why there's such a discrepancy with the rolling shutter results between these guys and the dvxuser guy kidzrevil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taranis Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 11 minutes ago, Inazuma said: Those are some great results. I wonder why there's such a discrepancy with the rolling shutter results between these guys and the dvxuser guy There must be a difference in their measurement method, as all their results are lower than those of SamuelH: X-T2 UHD: 21ms vs 29.5ms A7SII UHD: 25ms vs 30.4ms A6300 UHD: 34ms vs 39ms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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