mat33 Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 I'll be surprised if the XC15 replaces the XC10. If the photos are legit, then there's a XLR input but probably no HD-SDI that I can see. I would think if they had added a new sensor with DPAF it would be an XC20 but we will see. However, photokina seems a strange time to release a new professional camcorder so I imagine it will be released at IBC. I agree that the lens is much better than reported -I too would not want to give up the size, range, IS and parfocalness for a constant 2.8. Maybe the XC10 is selling better than we know. When I brought mine the store mentioned that Canon had said to them that they had been moving quite a few recently, maybe the news guys are seeing a role and the XLR will help cement this. Mattias Burling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted August 30, 2016 Super Members Share Posted August 30, 2016 9 minutes ago, mat33 said: I'll be surprised if the XC15 replaces the XC10. If the photos are legit, then there's a XLR input but probably no HD-SDI that I can see. I would think if they had added a new sensor with DPAF it would be an XC20 but we will see. However, photokina seems a strange time to release a new professional camcorder so I imagine it will be released at IBC. I agree that the lens is much better than reported -I too would not want to give up the size, range, IS and parfocalness for a constant 2.8. Maybe the XC10 is selling better than we know. When I brought mine the store mentioned that Canon had said to them that they had been moving quite a few recently, maybe the news guys are seeing a role and the XLR will help cement this. Im with you on all that. XC15 will probably be to the XC10 what the XA35 is to the XA30 (Or xf200/xf205). Also believe IBC makes more sense. mat33 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 By day's end I will own 3 cameras... The XC10, the GX85, and 50D for ML Raw. Well I'll actually own 4 because I haven't sold my BMMCC yet, but that will be listed by next week. But anyway my point is, if I need a reliable camera that can be used in any possible situation, even shallow depth if I frame my shots accordingly, I'll reach for the XC10 every time. It's that good. Sure I would love a constant f/2.8 or and f/2 - f/2.8 but not at any cost of losing what the camera already has. The only real improvement they could do to the lens that would make me consider an upgrade at this point is the focus ring, but Push AF works so well, even then I would only pay a little more than what I paid for the XC10. The biggest feature I would upgrade for is 5-Axis in 4K. And I would probably pay 500 more for it... That's how good their 5-Axis is. The 1080 is as good as the 4K downscaled from the G7. The camera is clean at f4 easily up to 1600 ISO in Wide DR. It's just a fun camera to use, where you can expect professional results every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 5 hours ago, Mattias Burling said: Indy filmmakers, porno, blocked shots is different. But that's not what we are talking about here. It is not what we're talking about here??? Darn. Darn. Though most porn I ahh... "research", would be a massive leap in quality if they used an XC10 instead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted August 30, 2016 Super Members Share Posted August 30, 2016 5 minutes ago, IronFilm said: It is not what we're talking about here??? Darn. Darn. Though most porn I ahh... "research", would be a massive leap in quality if they used an XC10 instead! Sounds like you need to raise your bar (pun not intended) of acceptable research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkabi Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 CR has leaked pictures of the XC15. Still not interested. Flynn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Do you go on refrigerator forums and post about refrigerators that don't interest you too? mercer and tyger11 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gelaxstudio Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 STILL that stupid rotating handle without a lock？ STILL that easy-to-break plastic lens without constant aperture？ STILL that loose zoom lens which will slide back when being put upside down？ STILL that narrow gap between the handle and body？ STILL that top microphone which capture the rain drops and your spit instead of the sound in front of you ？ Sorry，I just can't help laughing about it~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted August 30, 2016 Administrators Share Posted August 30, 2016 STILL the same camera which is very sad but you are being too harsh on the original Handle never rotates accidentally and I've shot a LOT with it so should know Easy to break plastic lens? Nah, it's very robust as is the whole camera The zoom does fall out on a drone and the gap between handle and body IS to narrow for sure, that I agree with you on. Very common to have mic on top of the camera Look at the positives... superb stabilisation, superb 1080p, best codec on the market for the price, it is like a mini C300 Mark II, ergonomics can be very satisfying Mattias Burling, tomsemiterrific and mercer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny G. Taillon Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 @Andrew Reid , doesn't it say Audio on that cap? I don't think think it's an SDI connector. I think it's a XLR3 connector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gelaxstudio Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 14 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: STILL the same camera which is very sad but you are being too harsh on the original Handle never rotates accidentally and I've shot a LOT with it so should know Easy to break plastic lens? Nah, it's very robust as is the whole camera The zoom does fall out on a drone and the gap between handle and body IS to narrow for sure, that I agree with you on. Very common to have mic on top of the camera Look at the positives... superb stabilisation, superb 1080p, best codec on the market for the price, it is like a mini C300 Mark II, ergonomics can be very satisfying Something that priced more than $2000 is still plastic body ? Even a $500 mirrorless is metal body I don't know that superb stabilisation Is it better than the 5-axis ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hijodeibn Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 5 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: STILL the same camera which is very sad but you are being too harsh on the original Handle never rotates accidentally and I've shot a LOT with it so should know Easy to break plastic lens? Nah, it's very robust as is the whole camera The zoom does fall out on a drone and the gap between handle and body IS to narrow for sure, that I agree with you on. Very common to have mic on top of the camera Look at the positives... superb stabilisation, superb 1080p, best codec on the market for the price, it is like a mini C300 Mark II, ergonomics can be very satisfying Andrew, just one question, can the XC10 be used in a steadicam?, or is it not designed for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted August 30, 2016 Administrators Share Posted August 30, 2016 58 minutes ago, Danny G. Taillon said: @Andrew Reid , doesn't it say Audio on that cap? I don't think think it's an SDI connector. I think it's a XLR3 connector. I thought that but why have 1 XLR jack... Needs 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Del Real Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 38 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: I thought that but why have 1 XLR jack... Needs 2 I think that may be for a C100 type shoe connector with XLR ports. webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted August 30, 2016 Super Members Share Posted August 30, 2016 1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said: I thought that but why have 1 XLR jack... Needs 2 I would by happier with one than two if I can still use the 3.5mm. One for ambient and one for shotgun/lav. 2 hours ago, gelaxstudio said: STILL that loose zoom lens which will slide back when being put upside down？ Never happened to me and I always hold my camera upside down between shots. On drones maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Lipartito Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 29 minutes ago, Dave Del Real said: I think that may be for a C100 type shoe connector with XLR ports. I was thinking that exact same thing. If you look at the top-down image of the leaked photos, you'll see that the accessory shoe on top is not a hot-shoe for attaching a flash like the original XC10 has, it's a cold shoe with a screw hole, just like the C100 mkII has for mounting the XLR handle. The first image attached is the leaked XC15 and below that is the same angle on the XC10. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsemiterrific Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Could what we're looking at be an XLR port rather than an SDI? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted August 30, 2016 Administrators Share Posted August 30, 2016 Oh good... we are getting a handle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsemiterrific Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said: I thought that but why have 1 XLR jack... Needs 2 Use better mic with more robust connection, lower noise floor, and put it on both channels. I think I recall the camera was seen as a news shooter---and XLR attachment for better sound would make a lot of sense for news gathering and quick interviews....maybe??!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebo Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 I use the XC10 next to my 1D C, you can use the same Kinotehnik loupe on both camera's, works perfect ( better than the xc10 canon loupe ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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