IronFilm Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 New news, it is shipping :-D http://www.newsshooter.com/2016/08/31/birtv-2016-kinefinitys-6k-terra-starts-shipping-and-gets-new-accessories/ Liam, Dane, 7 Lakes and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 Lakes Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Are there somebody who wait for Kinefinity Terra 5K real world capabilities more than GH5? Marco Bentz, BrorSvensson, Geoff CB and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Where's the footage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanriverprod Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Shot on supposedly the same sensor as 6k terra: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 11 minutes ago, Hanriverprod said: Shot on supposedly the same sensor as 6k terra: We've all seen this old footage. There is more to am image than the senor alone. We need to see footage from the Terra, not the Kinemax 6k. 7 Lakes and Geoff CB 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanriverprod Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Just now, DBounce said: We've all seen this old footage. There is more to am image than the senor alone. We need to see footage from the Terra, not the Kinemax 6k. Yeah, I agree. I'm not crazy about the footage I see from the kinemax so I'm interested if this terra will be different. For raw, these images seem thin and the colors have a brownish mush about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Bentz Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Nice camera shape with the new battery. Nice package, ergonomic, modular ... Curious to see some footage from the 6K but especially from the 5k ...! IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 17 hours ago, Hanriverprod said: Yeah, I agree. I'm not crazy about the footage I see from the kinemax so I'm interested if this terra will be different. For raw, these images seem thin and the colors have a brownish mush about them. Yeah likewise, I do kinda like the images, but something is off (sharpness, resolution) the videos I have seen look like SD footage to me. Not sure if it is a camera thing, or the uploaders mistake. Hanriverprod 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff CB Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Seriously just give it to a cinematographer to SHOOT THINGS WITH IT. For the love of god I've seen some incredible stuff from the Kine 4K after it came out. It's a goddamn camera, show us some footage. I want one of these cameras, but I can't commit to it until I see at least one frame of skin tone! Hanriverprod 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Daniel Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 I'm much more interested in the 5k version, however great news. Need to see some "skilled" footage though. IshootbeforeItalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 How is the motion cadence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy Jones Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 On September 1, 2016 at 11:01 AM, jonpais said: How is the motion cadence? It's moving along nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kino Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 On 8/31/2016 at 7:32 AM, Marco Bentz said: Nice camera shape with the new battery. Nice package, ergonomic, modular ... Curious to see some footage from the 6K but especially from the 5k ...! Nice, but where have I seen this type of modular design before? Recall that the Kinemax 6K has the worst rolling shutter of any cinema camera unless you shoot in the 4K "sport mode," which then defeats the purpose of buying a 6K camera. So I'm not sure I would go for the 6K version. The Terra 5K, however, has the potential to be the best value in this price range, with the switchable global shutter and a 5K ProRes option. 5K also makes a lot more sense than the oddball 4.6K resolution in its competitors the Raven and Ursa Mini when considering the advantages gained in debayering for 4K delivery. Geoff CB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 55 minutes ago, Kino said: Nice, but where have I seen this type of modular design before? Recall that the Kinemax 6K has the worst rolling shutter of any cinema camera unless you shoot in the 4K "sport mode," which then defeats the purpose of buying a 6K camera. So I'm not sure I would go for the 6K version. The Terra 5K, however, has the potential to be the best value in this price range, with the switchable global shutter and a 5K ProRes option. 5K also makes a lot more sense than the oddball 4.6K resolution in its competitors the Raven and Ursa Mini when considering the advantages gained in debayering for 4K delivery. Well if the 6k still has golden 3k (more DR than the 5k is specced to have - and I would assume less rolling shutter than the 6k mode?), or if the global shutter switch causes more real world issues than sports mode, it could balance out. We've never seen this type of global shutter/rolling shutter option actually working yet, right? Plus rolling shutter could have been improved in the 6k terra, or the 5k could be just about as bad. And 6k is still more resolution than 5k. if that much is needed, that's the option. And the 6k is a more tested sensor. Forgive me if I missed some news, hard to keep up. But I think it's hard to say right now, and they both sound great Geoff CB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanriverprod Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 I think they changed the specs and most hfr on the 5k is cropped down to m43 for 4k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kino Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 11 hours ago, Liam said: Well if the 6k still has golden 3k (more DR than the 5k is specced to have - and I would assume less rolling shutter than the 6k mode?), or if the global shutter switch causes more real world issues than sports mode, it could balance out. We've never seen this type of global shutter/rolling shutter option actually working yet, right? Plus rolling shutter could have been improved in the 6k terra, or the 5k could be just about as bad. And 6k is still more resolution than 5k. if that much is needed, that's the option. And the 6k is a more tested sensor. Forgive me if I missed some news, hard to keep up. But I think it's hard to say right now, and they both sound great The Kinefinity rep at NAB claimed that the Terra 5K version will have a "dual gain" sensor (for an expanded DR) as well as an improved rolling shutter mode in contrast with the 6K, which has the same specs as the Kinemax 6K. He made it very clear that the 6K version will perform exactly the same as the existing Kinemax 6K: A lot of the Kinemax shooters seem to love the golden 3K that is for sure. Here is a very useful review of the Kinemax 6K by someone who owns and operates the camera for a living: To me, 5K is absolutely the perfect resolution as 6K simply results in little visual improvement at the price of much larger file sizes and storage requirements. Just ask some of the RED Dragon shooters. Meanwhile, the improvements with DR and rolling shutter performance make the 5K a much better option in those areas. If I can only see some footage soon, I will consider cancelling my Scarlet-W order and moving to the Terra 5K. It has an amazing feature set and is almost too good to be true. Marco Bentz, Liam and IronFilm 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 17 minutes ago, Kino said: The Kinefinity rep at NAB claimed that the Terra 5K version will have a "dual gain" sensor (for an expanded DR) as well as an improved rolling shutter mode from the 6K, which has the same specs as the Kinemax 6K. He made it very clear that the 6K version will perform exactly the same as the existing Kinemax 6K: Improved rolling shutter... yet perform exactly the same. This statement is contradictory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 16 minutes ago, DBounce said: Improved rolling shutter... yet perform exactly the same. This statement is contradictory. The 5k rolling shutter improved over the 6k. The 6k terra performing the same as the kinemax, not improved Kino 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanriverprod Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 raw/prores 5k Terra S35 5K HD5120x2700 50/50 5K HD Wide5120x2160 60/60 4K(Oversample)4096x2160 N/A/50 4K Wide(Oversample)4096x1716 N/A/60 4K HD (Oversample)3840x2160 N/A/50 4K HD Wide (Oversample)3840x1600 N/A/60 M4/3 3.6K 4:3 Anamorphic3600x2700 50/50 4K4096x2160 75/75 4K Wide4096x1716 100/100 4K HD3840x2160 75/75 4K HD Wide3840x1600 100/100 4K HD Wide3840x1600100100 S16 3K3072x1620 100/100 3K Wide3072x1280130/130 3K HD2880x1620 100/100 3K HD Wide2880x1200 130/130 6k Terra S35 6K HD5760x3240 30/30 6K HD Wide5760x2400 30/40 4K HD (Oversample)3840x2160 N/A/30 4K HD Wide (Oversample)3840x1600 N/A/40 4K HD (HiSpeed)3840x2160 75/75 4K HD Wide (HiSpeed)3840x1600 100/100 Golden 3K2880x1620 30/30 Golden 3K Wide2880x1200 40/40 M4/3 4.3K 4:3 Anamorphic4320x3240 30/30 4K 4:3 Anamorphic4096x3072 30/30 4K4096x2160 44/44 4K Wide4096x1716 56/56 4K HD3840x2160 44/44 4K HD Wide3840x1600 60/60 3K HD (HiSpeed)2880x1620 115/115 3K HD Wide (HiSpeed)2880x1200 150/150 Golden 2.2K Ana2176x1620 30/30 Golden 2K Ana2048x1536 30/30 Golden 2K2048x1080 44/44 Golden 2K Wide2048x860 54/54 Golden 2K HD1920x1080 44/44 Golden 2K HD Wide1920x800 60/60 S16 3K3072x1620 59/59 3K Wide3072x1280 75/75 3K HD2880x1620 59/59 3K HD Wide2880x1200 75/75 Kino 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kino Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 Yes, the 5K has improved rolling shutter over the 6K, which is exactly the same as the Kinemax 6K. I corrected the sentence above in case it was vague or unclear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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