Lintelfilm Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 8 hours ago, Mattias Burling said: Never heard of selfies? Dont forget, this is a stills camera for the average joe. The official Canon intro video does demo and talk about this feature specifically as great "for vloggers" with no mention of selfies. Im a C100 and XC10 owner extremely bored of hearing the video-shooting minority complain about the quality of video on Canon's stills cameras. Most people think it's Canon being money grabbing and pushing users to the more expensive Cinema line to get decent video. However the more benign explanation is that it's always been part of Canons ethos to honour existing customers by not making their purchases obsolete every 5 minutes (*cough* Sony *cough*). As you say, stills is their focus outside of the pro video segment. HOWEVER - I do think the graduation of the M camera line to semi-pro with the M5 presents a problem for Canon. Because mirrorless is by nature far more of a hybrid 50/50 stills/video beast. DSLRs fundamentally make pretty awful video cameras, but with mirrorless the form factor etc is pretty much just as good for video as stills (hence the success of the A7S and GH4 and the apparent discontinuation of the 1DC). The line Canon have clearly drawn between DSLRs and their cinema line makes sense, but to omit good video from a true hybrid mirrorless is like Victornox selling Swiss Army Knives that have one side full of sharp high quality tools and the other side full of blunt Chinese knock-off blades. Or like manufacturing a tandem bike frame with no second seat on the back. It doesn't make any sense. The M5 is big news because it means Canon are clearly phasing in quality mirrorless cameras, which has been a big question mark over their heads. But "phasing in" is the key phrase here. They are still market leaders so they have no need to hurry. A big part of the reason they are market leaders is the brand loyalty and respect they command, which comes in part from not ditching existing customers for the sake of winning the latest and greatest spec war. Kisaha, Kubrickian, TheRenaissanceMan and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted September 16, 2016 Super Members Share Posted September 16, 2016 Wasnt it a camera a year or so back who advertised the screen bellow the body as good because it maid the vlogger/selfier look more down than up/off camera? Or maybe it was someone recomending to holdit upsidedown, cant remember, just a small bell ringing. Lintelfilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Valles Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Can anyone confirm if one can use the HDMI output to record video clips longer than 30 minutes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Valles Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 On 9/19/2016 at 7:04 PM, Jaime Valles said: Can anyone confirm if one can use the HDMI output to record video clips longer than 30 minutes? Anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 30 minutes ago, Jaime Valles said: Anyone? At this point, without the manual being released and without confirmation from Canon or a site that was given a preproduction model, one can only assume. I remember reading it has clean HDMI out, so I would assume you can record longer than 30 minutes, but what do I know? You may be better off asking over at DPReview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tugela Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 On 9/16/2016 at 11:44 PM, Lintelfilm said: The official Canon intro video does demo and talk about this feature specifically as great "for vloggers" with no mention of selfies. Im a C100 and XC10 owner extremely bored of hearing the video-shooting minority complain about the quality of video on Canon's stills cameras. Most people think it's Canon being money grabbing and pushing users to the more expensive Cinema line to get decent video. However the more benign explanation is that it's always been part of Canons ethos to honour existing customers by not making their purchases obsolete every 5 minutes (*cough* Sony *cough*). As you say, stills is their focus outside of the pro video segment. The M5 is big news because it means Canon are clearly phasing in quality mirrorless cameras, which has been a big question mark over their heads. But "phasing in" is the key phrase here. They are still market leaders so they have no need to hurry. A big part of the reason they are market leaders is the brand loyalty and respect they command, which comes in part from not ditching existing customers for the sake of winning the latest and greatest spec war. If existing customers are only shooting stills as you suggest, then adding advanced video features to a new model is not going to make their current camera obsolete. Adding specs does not ditch existing customers. 5 hours ago, Jaime Valles said: Anyone? You might want to wait for the camera to actually be sold before getting impatient about no one responding to your questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Valles Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 2 hours ago, tugela said: You might want to wait for the camera to actually be sold before getting impatient about no one responding to your questions. My bad. I thought the camera was already out in the wild, at least in the hands of a few testers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lintelfilm Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 On 30/09/2016 at 9:26 PM, tugela said: If existing customers are only shooting stills as you suggest, then adding advanced video features to a new model is not going to make their current camera obsolete. Adding specs does not ditch existing customers. You might want to wait for the camera to actually be sold before getting impatient about no one responding to your questions. I'm talking about Canon protecting existing Cinema camera owners in this instance. If they add high quality video to a milc the C line looses its footing quite a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tugela Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 4 hours ago, Lintelfilm said: I'm talking about Canon protecting existing Cinema camera owners in this instance. If they add high quality video to a milc the C line looses its footing quite a bit. The reason they can't add high quality video to a MILC is because their processors get too hot, and the software solution used in DSLRs is not viable with the storage media used in M cameras. It has nothing to do with protecting the C line (which have fans inside them to keep the processor heat under control). People keep on with this "protecting" nonsense when it has nothing to do with that. It is because the limitations of the hardware inside the camera. Nothing more. Canon are not out to screw everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamoui Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 2 hours ago, tugela said: The reason they can't add high quality video to a MILC is because their processors get too hot, and the software solution used in DSLRs is not viable with the storage media used in M cameras. It has nothing to do with protecting the C line (which have fans inside them to keep the processor heat under control). People keep on with this "protecting" nonsense when it has nothing to do with that. It is because the limitations of the hardware inside the camera. Nothing more. Canon are not out to screw everyone. Why can't it be both? They're processors get too hot and they also want people to buy separate cameras for photo and video? As a business why would they offer high quality specs on a lower-level camera? What would give people incentive to buy the more expensive c-line cams? @Lintelfilm didn't say anything about canon screwing everyone. He made a perfectly valid point that obviously canon don't want to alienate their customers who have already bought in to the c-line cameras by releasing a non-c camera with competing specs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tugela Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 The reason why they would do it is to prevent the likes of Sony from getting a foothold in competition. That is far more valuable to Canon than any "protection" of the C line. Sony eats a hell of lot more into Canon's overall market than what they derive from the C line. Every a7/a6300/GH4/GH5 sold is a 5D/7D not sold, and that is a really large sum of revenue that did not happen, far more than what they get from the C line. They can't do it however because they don't have processors that are advanced enough to allow them to. Otherwise they would. People who buy C line cameras are buying them for pro-video interfaces and ergonomics, not because of the specs they have. They would still buy those cameras for that reason even if DSLRs could shoot at the same level or performance (which they can't, due to thermal envelope restrictions). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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