tweak Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 5 minutes ago, mercer said: Is there a big quality difference between MLV Raw and regular Raw? No. mercer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted September 14, 2016 Super Members Share Posted September 14, 2016 1 hour ago, Justin Bacle said: Actually, I started using MLVFS (Magic Lantern Forum link : MLVFS) to import the footage in Ae (to use Camera Raw). I then use the Ae comps directly in Pr with ingest for creating proxies. It is painless compared to the transcoding mayem (raw2cdng -> Ae -> DNxHD 444 -> Pr) that I used before. I used to do that back in the early days of the bmcc, I think Premiere 5.0. But now I rather convert and use Resolve. I have totally dumped adobe for Final Cut. 1 hour ago, mercer said: The micro has the same height as the pocket, is shorter in length, but deeper. When Ive seen the micro and pocket next to each other I say they are the same size with different shapes. Ad a monitor and the pocket is smaller for sure. Im not sure I would say that the pocket and the bmcc are totally different beasts. I would say they are very very close and can replace one another. Its just a matter of specific needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantsin Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 2 hours ago, Michael Coffee said: I suppose a pocket 2 with the micro cinema sensor would be quite nice The two cameras have the same sensor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Coffee Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 6 hours ago, cantsin said: The two cameras have the same sensor. Well, a pocket with the 60p then mercer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantsin Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 9 minutes ago, Michael Coffee said: Well, a pocket with the 60p then Likely not doable because the housing of the pocket (with the rear TFT display) doesn't provide enough heat dissipation for 60p processing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhnkng Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 A new Pocket camera with the 2.5K sensor would be amazing, but even the existing sensor with a redesigned body to take LP-E6 batteries like the Micro would be a welcome update. Hopefully that means it'll have more space for a bigger heatsink, and 60p. mercer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhurba Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 I know it's cinema, but they should cover event people too. And a BMPCC with 60p and a tilty swively screen would be awesome. Antonis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 13 hours ago, Justin Bacle said: Actually, I would love to see exactely the same BMPCC but with a better battery and an even lower cost (say $500 ?), so that everyone can have one (think film schools, they could give one to every student). RAW S16 for everyone ! YAY ! Yeah screw this talk of making another BMPCC v2.0, just put the BMPCC on another $500 sale again! :-D Antonis, Juxx989, jhnkng and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axel Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 14 hours ago, Mattias Burling said: I used to do that back in the early days of the bmcc, I think Premiere 5.0. But now I rather convert and use Resolve. I have totally dumped adobe for Final Cut. I've dumped everything but After Effects, for which I now pay 23,79 € each month. The reason, since I once bought Motion for 50 bucks and can use Fusion 8 for free? There are quite some advanced tools in AAE, for me the most important is Mocha, which I use for rotoscoping exclusively. That's for compositing of course, and for that you also need to match the colors of the layers, color correction. The way Adobe organizes tools was always terrible and will remain so in general. But fortunately AAE has also Lumetri, which finally compounded everything you really need to perform a simple CC in one effect. If I just needed some motion graphics like animated titles or logos, Motion was actually much better for that. Premiere loses against FCP in just about every respect. What about dynamic links - since I mentioned I use AAE? There is a strict, but really fail-save workflow for that, that even doesn't require the $200 Ximport (f.k.a. Automatic Duck). I make a sloppy pre-comp in my FCP X timeline, complete with keying, rough roto and effects. I make it a compound clip, name it properly and export it as XML, process the file with XtoCC and import that in AAE. None of the effects are recognized there (one shouldn't use transform tools, which are and one must be careful with retiming, because only constant speed changes will translate), but that's how I want it. I queue the render files and replace the compound clips of the same name. Sounds more complicated than it is. 5 hours ago, Ivanhurba said: I know it's cinema, but they should cover event people too. And a BMPCC with 60p and a tilty swively screen would be awesome. Dream on. You sound like those people who demand a GH5 for $1500 with 4k raw internally. I even don't find it likely that it will have 4k 10-bit internally, but of course, if it has, I won't object that. Mattias Burling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhurba Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 4 hours ago, Axel said: Dream on. You sound like those people who demand a GH5 for $1500 with 4k raw internally. I even don't find it likely that it will have 4k 10-bit internally, but of course, if it has, I won't object that. 1080 60p is not that demanding. I guess it's just an external screen attached to the BMMCC with better controls. Yeah, I guess i'm dreaming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcuswolschon Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 On 13.9.2016 at 11:25 AM, Flynn said: The Pocket is in desperate need of a refresh. I don't know their sales figures, but I bet they've sold as many of the Pocket as they have every other camera they've made combined. I totally agree. Perfect picture but with FullHD you can't win anymore in 2017. I desperately hope for an URSA-Cacorder. Larger then the Pocket to include a regular cooling, larger batteries, XLR and maybe even SSDs or M.2 instead of SD-cards. The GH5 with IBIS,internal 4:2:2 10Bit (in 150Mbps IPB or 400Mbps All-I) and Wifi remote control while in 10bit is currently stealing the show. This is 2017. I'm using my Pockets for closeups. They perform great but I don't have a 4K or UHD image to crop+stabilize/track in post like with every other modern camera. So for wide/medium stage shots, run&gun, even documentary they have left the game a long time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantsin Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Blackmagic's product development fundamentally differs from consumer brands and big camera manufacturers (like Panasonic, Sony and Canon) because BM has to design and build its cameras around off-the-shelf sensors made by independent manufacturers like Fairchild and CMOSIS. In this respect, BM's cameras are very much like other "outsider cameras" including the Aja CION, Axiom Apertus and Digital Bolex. (In fact, BM's first-generation 4K cameras use the same CMOSIS sensor as the CION and the Apertus.) Fortunately, BM still manages to survive in the market while Aja and Bolex have already withdrawn. Neither Fairchild, nor CMOSIS offer a 4K sensor that would fit a renewed Pocket camera and maintain the image quality of the old model. (The sensor built into the 4K Micro Studio Camera has 3[!] stops less dynamic range than the Pocket and the Micro Cinema Camera.) The Fairchild 2.5K sensor built into the first-generation BM Cinema Cameras, on the other hand, needs too much cooling to fit a smaller camera body. So it really doesn't make much sense to speculate on a BM Pocket successor, with a new sensor and improved image, if such a sensor isn't available on the market yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josdr Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Cantsin you make too much sense for such a thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Bacle Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 On 1/7/2017 at 3:02 AM, cantsin said: Blackmagic's product development fundamentally differs from consumer brands and big camera manufacturers (like Panasonic, Sony and Canon) because BM has to design and build its cameras around off-the-shelf sensors made by independent manufacturers like Fairchild and CMOSIS. In this respect, BM's cameras are very much like other "outsider cameras" including the Aja CION, Axiom Apertus and Digital Bolex. (In fact, BM's first-generation 4K cameras use the same CMOSIS sensor as the CION and the Apertus.) Fortunately, BM still manages to survive in the market while Aja and Bolex have already withdrawn. Neither Fairchild, nor CMOSIS offer a 4K sensor that would fit a renewed Pocket camera and maintain the image quality of the old model. (The sensor built into the 4K Micro Studio Camera has 3[!] stops less dynamic range than the Pocket and the Micro Cinema Camera.) The Fairchild 2.5K sensor built into the first-generation BM Cinema Cameras, on the other hand, needs too much cooling to fit a smaller camera body. So it really doesn't make much sense to speculate on a BM Pocket successor, with a new sensor and improved image, if such a sensor isn't available on the market yet. There actually are a few global shutter CMOS sensors that can compete but that are still too expensive :s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Kieley Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 I love the image out of the pocket as-is, even if it "only" shoots 1080p. If they re-used the sensor in other camera, all I'd wish for is a camcorder form factor (with an interchangable MFT mount not a built-in zoom) with a fold-out articulating monitor, full-size HDMI and/or SDI, false color, and takes larger Sony, Canon or Panasonic camcorder batteries, instead of DSLR batteries, for improved battery life. It wouldn't be a pocket camera, but they already have the Pocket camera for that. I like the BM doesn't create "MKII" versions of their cameras, they hold more of their value in the used marketplace, as opposed to a DSLR that gets replaced every year or two with a new model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 We need conversion kits. Hardware hackers. To take a G7, strip it and fill it with BMPCC internals. :P Ricardo Constantino 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweak Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Surely they are thinking about these things, BMPCC would be one of their best sellers I imagine, thus makes sense to corner that market once more (still there's no direct competition for BMPCC really). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
froess Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Altought I would like most of the upgrades people have been suggesting ( 60p, 2.5k, better battery life ), I would prefer that blackmagic would make a pocket v2 with good audio! They already have the image quality, I wish they would consider audio quality aswell. A complete package! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Bacle Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 On 1/7/2017 at 3:02 AM, cantsin said: Blackmagic's product development fundamentally differs from consumer brands and big camera manufacturers (like Panasonic, Sony and Canon) because BM has to design and build its cameras around off-the-shelf sensors made by independent manufacturers like Fairchild and CMOSIS. In this respect, BM's cameras are very much like other "outsider cameras" including the Aja CION, Axiom Apertus and Digital Bolex. (In fact, BM's first-generation 4K cameras use the same CMOSIS sensor as the CION and the Apertus.) Fortunately, BM still manages to survive in the market while Aja and Bolex have already withdrawn. Neither Fairchild, nor CMOSIS offer a 4K sensor that would fit a renewed Pocket camera and maintain the image quality of the old model. (The sensor built into the 4K Micro Studio Camera has 3[!] stops less dynamic range than the Pocket and the Micro Cinema Camera.) The Fairchild 2.5K sensor built into the first-generation BM Cinema Cameras, on the other hand, needs too much cooling to fit a smaller camera body. So it really doesn't make much sense to speculate on a BM Pocket successor, with a new sensor and improved image, if such a sensor isn't available on the market yet. Actually, there is the PYTHON5000 image sensor : specs are quite good. 1" sensor (slightly bigger than S16) 5.3 Mpx Global CMOS 100/85 frames per second @ 5 MP (Zero ROT/Non−Zero ROT) 230/180 frames per second @ 2 MP (Zero ROT/Non−Zero ROT) 255/200 frames per second @ Full HD (Zero ROT/Non−Zero ROT) 60db DR (~12 stops) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josdr Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Yes but does the python5000 have that cinematic feel that makes BM unique?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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