Administrators Andrew Reid Posted September 19, 2016 Administrators Share Posted September 19, 2016 A-mount? 2x crop sensor? Both the Sony A99 II and Panasonic GH5 have a few aspects which look out of place in the high end market of 2016. However sometimes the most simple things are the problem. Read the full article SullyCortez 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPC Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 And having to leave movie mode if you want to set white balance manually, now that's just absurd (and very time consuming). Geoff CB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advisti Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 What's the point of writing article on "menu" when you haven't even touched the camera? How do you know there is no access to white balance via Fn button? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 fortunately there is a dedicated WB top button.. but yeah PP on page 10 is ridiculous and menu seems convoluted as ever.. hardly a re-design.. lack of touch screen also silly.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff CB Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 My MAIN regret in switching to sony is their god awful menu system. I do not understand how they cannot hire one goddamn usability engineer to fix this. But at least this seems a tiny bit better with grouping. Hope they offer it as an update to the a7r2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SullyCortez Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 this is just ridiculous I'm sorry. First they have a camera come out without IBIS yet it shoots 6K and overheats like crazy, then they have the worlds first full frame 8K sensor in a DSLR and they do just that, put it in a antiquated dslr mirrored body with lens mount that dies over 10 years ago.... and now they fuck up the menus even WORSE than before by adding more pages upon more options upon more nonsense no one wants or uses. cmon sony! what the heck. you have the opportunity to kill it and you made dumb decisions like this. Andrew what is it gonna take for these fools to understand what we REALLY want in a camera??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douglaurent Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 At least that's one thing that Canon did better in the 5DsR, 1DX2 and 5D4: You can create your own menus and register anything you like to new own menu pages. Oddly enough, in the Sonys you can nearly assign any function to any external button, while in the Canon they only allow a random selection of functions on a random number of buttons. Let's hope that at least by the year 2020 we all laugh about these stupid middle age times when Toyko engineers still were trapped in their limited 20th century logic, and finally all manufactures do offer unlimited possibilities. Geoff CB and Blue Fox 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff CB Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 1 hour ago, douglaurent said: At least that's one thing that Canon did better in the 5DsR, 1DX2 and 5D4: You can create your own menus and register anything you like to new own menu pages. Seriously, this is all I want. It's in Nikon and Canon bodies so there is no legal reason not to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMGJohn Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 How the F could they make it worse? The way it looks is not the issue, its those PAGES, just endless pages.... And with no touchscreen you just have to flick through each menu with a button.... Samsung did it right with their menu's quite early and even better with the NX30, the menu is simple, its touch friendly and everything important is on the top and everything not so important at the bottom. Panasonic and Canon also seem to get it somewhat right but never as good as Samsung Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted September 20, 2016 Author Administrators Share Posted September 20, 2016 The Samsung NX1's menus are superb. Very feature packed camera yet I'm never lost on page 9 of 12 So underrated how ergonomic that camera turned out to be.... Canon and Fuji also understand menu design. Panasonic good logically, but a little too much scrolling, button pressing. Blue Fox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ehetyz Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 On 19.9.2016 at 9:55 PM, SullyCortez said: this is just ridiculous I'm sorry. First they have a camera come out without IBIS yet it shoots 6K and overheats like crazy, then they have the worlds first full frame 8K sensor in a DSLR and they do just that, put it in a antiquated dslr mirrored body with lens mount that dies over 10 years ago.... and now they fuck up the menus even WORSE than before by adding more pages upon more options upon more nonsense no one wants or uses. cmon sony! what the heck. you have the opportunity to kill it and you made dumb decisions like this. Andrew what is it gonna take for these fools to understand what we REALLY want in a camera??? Well that's Sony for ya. The same company that touts 250fps on a bridge camera with a 1-inch sensor, f2.8 lens and a max usable ISO of 800. They're more concerned with feature lists than actual real world usability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 On 9/19/2016 at 5:41 AM, Django said: lack of touch screen also silly.. Yes, it is one of the main reasons (along with XAVCS) why I picked the a5100 over the a6000 back when I made that purchasing decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inazuma Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viet Bach Bui Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Maybe if we make enough noise they will move it to page 2. But really though, who goes into these menus often enough to be concerned about whether a particular item is on page 1 or 9? My Sony A7S has so many customizable buttons I rarely have to go into the menus. And when I do, the only problem is the unorganized grouping of the items, which Sony seems to be improving with the A99II. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advisti Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Not just that, as someone pointed out, there is dedicated white-balance button on top, making this article doubly dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chris Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 12 pages on one ambiguous "camera" tab. SMH. How about breaking things up - still image parameters, AF settings, video functions and so on? What about a my menu 1 & 2 so you can group all the most used functions when shooting stills or video since even with all the button customization and the Fn menu, Sony still forces you to menu dive. Nah, that would be too complicated, unless you're Canon, Nikon, Panasonic, Olympus, Fuji... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viet Bach Bui Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 12 minutes ago, The Chris said: 12 pages on one ambiguous "camera" tab. You missed the page titles under the "camera" tab. You got 12 pages because a) Sony put most of the items on the first menu level instead of a multi-level menu and b) there is no scrolling required. I have used Nikon for a while before and their menu isn't really better. And Olympus' menu also has 11 pages which are organized as vertical tabs (vs Sony horizontal tabs where you can use the left-right button to quickly move between pages). As I said before, the current grouping in Sony menu is not very intuitive and if this is fixed then there is nothing much to complain anymore. The Chris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chris Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 A couple "my menu" options would help immensely if they want to just dump everything under a couple tabs. The Fn and custom buttons doesn't cover enough if you're shooting stills and video - the way the camera is intended. The C1/2 settings on the dial don't cut it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer5 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 21 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: The Samsung NX1's menus are superb. Very feature packed camera yet I'm never lost on page 9 of 12 Best camera menu I've seen hands down, couldn't agree more. They nailed it first time out. Why is this so hard to get right for everyone else? For example I like Olympus cameras, but their menus are a horror show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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