enny Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 I been watching so many short film and have noticed that lots of them use sounds captured on set by the camera or microphone f some sort and that just takes me right out of the film. because it does not sound right. I know that sound fx like footsteps and so on are done in post but is it same for voice do they capture voice ob set then they do one more final pass in the studio? Below is the example what i mean by nice crisp voice Thanks guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted September 21, 2016 Super Members Share Posted September 21, 2016 Either way, you dont need an expensive mic. Whats important is to keep it close and get your background noise in order. In the video bellow they try lots of mics, cheap as chips and very expensive. Keeping them close in a booth and the difference is minimal. I suggest all that are new to audio to watch this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Step 1: Buy this book: https://www.amazon.com/Location-Sound-Bible-Record-Professional/dp/1615931201/Step 2: Read that book. Step 3: Practice what you learned, over and over again, at any chance you can. Step 4: Go back to Step 2. (somewhere early on this process you'll also get sucked into a nasty GAS cycle as well... just like with cameras! As you can see with my own personal sound gear list: http://ironfilm.co.nz/sound/ ) Richard Bugg and Ivanhurba 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Bugg Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 49 minutes ago, IronFilm said: ...my own personal sound gear list: http://ironfilm.co.nz/sound/ ) What are your thoughts on the Oktava MK-012 and how have you used it? Substitute for CMC641 or similar I presume? It gets some good reviews but not so much for handling noise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Yup, of course the Oktava MK-012 is for indoors. When I first used it... WOW! But of course I'd only had experience with low grade equipment, and/or shotguns. Yes you do need to be careful with handling noise, but using the Rycote Lyre Shockmount in the new Rode Blimp helps heaps. Currently the Oktava MK-012 (and the Sennheiser G3 units, but they're only extras for when I need a *LOT* of wireless) is the only item in that gear list which I don't own myself. But it is from a very good mate who lives just around the corner, isn't a specialist soundie himself (so it probably would be available at short notice), and has been happy to lend it to me for a free/low rate Thus I included it in my own gear list! My short term gear upgrades are (in roughly this order): Saramonic UwMic10 (I'll start with one, test it out in use thoroughly, then likely order more if it passes with flying colors) Saramonic UwMic9 + TX-XLR9 Oscar SoundTech lavs (heaps! Want more than one per wireless unit) + lav accessories Aputure D3 Extra boom pole (my current pole is a carbon fibre one that is "only" 3m long, I want a 5m one for when I need the extra reach, plus as a backup pole) Audix SCX1-HC or Audio-Technica AT4053b as the upgrade from the Oktava (need to do more research on this to decide which one of the two, ideally get my hands on them personally to try out first) Zoom F4 or F8 (although the F4 is "underneath" the F8, it is also in some ways a subtle improvement upon the F8, plus it is cheaper! So tricky to say which of the F4 or F8 I'll pick) Sanken CS-3e or I dunno.. some similar-ish high end one to replace/supplement my NTG2/D3/ME66 (but I've been suitably impressed by what I've heard with tests done with the Sanken CS-3e). Rycote Cyclone Windshield. Am not counting the various little minor accessories (such as hush heels, or top stick), the many many batteries, and various assortment of extra cables, that I'll also be always picking up along the way and buying! By this point in time it will be late 2017 or even 2018 (or later! Depends on how my fledging sound career goes), and I'll be looking into getting a smart slate, Tentacle Sync, Lectrosonics (and then my Sony UWD-P etc will be downgraded to IFBs), sound cart, Sound Devices 633, etc etc Richard Bugg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Oh, forgot to include in my list of "things I want to get" the new Saramonic plug in XLR recorder (hopefully like the Tascam DR10 but cheaper?!). If the reviews are good! No real concrete info is out about it yet. Not sure exactly where I'd place it in terms of priorities, depends on price too, perhaps in the first half of the list. Richard Bugg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Depending on your role I would suggest finding a dedicated sound guy/gal in your area. There's such a night and day difference in quality when they can focus solely on that mic placement. If you're just setting up a mic for an interview then that's a different story. kaylee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enny Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 Thanks guys so voice that was captured on set is used in final film and not recorded in post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 1 minute ago, enny said: Thanks guys so voice that was captured on set is used in final film and not recorded in post? I'll bet on that production it was all on set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enny Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 Just now, AaronChicago said: I'll bet on that production it was all on set. you right just got message from director (we used the actors voice from the set plus some work in post to clean them) Liszon and AaronChicago 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy Jones Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Something that hasn't been mentioned is that many productions use 2 or more mics. Usually at least 1 boom (and sometimes 2 to phase out unwanted audio) and then a hidden lav for each actor. Using this method gives them options for getting close proximity audio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Yeah, but switching between boom and lav can be a little tricky as they could sound different. But is better to have the option than not have the option. Indeed quite a few productions will have everyone lav'd up plus a couple of boom ops! But sadly sound is often treated badly, so while camera + G&E might have 3, 4, 6, 8+ people... the poor sound department has one person who is booming and recording it at once! leeys and kaylee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 9 hours ago, Jonesy Jones said: Something that hasn't been mentioned is that many productions use 2 or more mics. Usually at least 1 boom (and sometimes 2 to phase out unwanted audio) and then a hidden lav for each actor. Using this method gives them options for getting close proximity audio. This is true. The guy that I work with uses 3. A boom, lav, and another directional mic with gain turned down in case someone spontaneously yells or talks too loud on one word or sentence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Bugg Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 1 hour ago, AaronChicago said: This is true. The guy that I work with uses 3. A boom, lav, and another directional mic with gain turned down in case someone spontaneously yells or talks too loud on one word or sentence I thought that a decent set of limiters would manage that. But I suppose not all limiters are created equal and even limiters have their limits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 6 minutes ago, Richard Bugg said: I thought that a decent set of limiters would manage that. But I suppose not all limiters are created equal and even limiters have their limits. As far as levels go yeah the limiter helps. Im no expert but from what I've heard in samples it doesn't sound as natural. Of course in a pinch I would definitely use a limiter. Richard Bugg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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