Sony Will Announce the A6500

[tugela]

1 hour ago, j.f.r. said:

They are great, unfortunately you just don't know how to use them...... Not every camera can just magically get you the image you want without knowing what you're doing, also why in the world were you using S-Log in an indoor environment with lights.......

I think you answered the question in the second sentence with the response in the first sentence

2 hours ago, mkabi said:

I don't know what they are smoking over there at Sony, but I love how in that video they say...

"This does not replace the a6300 or the a6000 at all, its an addition to our a6000 line"

then right after that he says...

"and everything that makes the a6300 so great, we just built upon it with some new technology."

I don't know whether they listen to themselves... oh well... thats Sony for you.

Editted to add: Even at the beginning, "...its been aaa  about 6 months, 6 months? 10 months, 8 months, its been 8 months since you last introduced the a6300" and the reply was "has it been that long?"

REALLY??? lol... bah wait another 6 to 8 months for the a6700 or a7000 - can't wait for affordable 5K RAW, same as they put in the RX100 v

They do that with most of their consumer models. The RX100 line for example will have run a few models deep being actively marketed at any one time. Canon does the same thing with their consumer cameras. I guess the reason would be that they bring in iterative upgrades regularly as they come available, but still make use of the older tooled production lines as long as people continue buying the older models.

9 hours ago, wolf33d said:

Brace yourself. A9 is coming and any Sony camera you have ever get will make you feel you lost money in it. 

At the same time thanks to this we get the best new specs. Unlike Canon for who we have to wait 2020 to get A7RII specs.

And at least it has the merit to boost competition. Sony not existing, GH5 would have not been what it will be, most probably.

Not true. Canon update their consumer products regularly as well. The shortest update cycle I have seen in Canon was 3 months, when they went from the G20 to the G30. No doubt the folk who bought a G20 were going WTF???, and in that particular case it was a valid question, lol.

9 hours ago, BasiliskFilm said:

So apart from the overheating, the lack of 42 mp still files, and possibly a more user-friendly (though bulkier) form factor, the gap between the A6xxx series and A7Rii has narrowed considerably. For manual shooters, a focal reducer can get you the full frame look, and the 6K -> 4K S35 video mode on both bodies is probably very similar.
For those who can't afford an A7Rii, or the expensive full frame G lenses that add several thousand onto your investment, this could be an option to get comparable results.

Except that updated a7 cameras will probably start to appear soon as well, so the "gap" will disappear.

8 hours ago, Emanuel said:

G7 / G70 (Germany) and the GX85 / GX80 (outside US) / GX7 Mark II (Japan) are the best bang for the buck out there, nowadays and ever, so far...

Albert, BTW, left his NX1 for a G7 ;-)

Well, there are fools in every endeavor!

[tugela]

6 hours ago, BasiliskFilm said:

If you have watched Sony's sensor development for any time, you would notice they don't change resolution that often. They establish a sensor form factor and gradually evolve it. The current batch (apart from the 24MP full frame which is a throw back to the A99, Nikon D600 series etc) are optimised for video resolutions. The 42MP is an 8K sensor that gives a cleaner line skip result for 4K. The S35 crop of the 42MP sensor is essentially the same as the APS-C 24MP sensor which can do full 6K readout. And 12MP on the A7S obviously works well for 4K. Anything in between will be a mess for video resolutions (see Canon). The question is whether the 24 MP full frame sensor has reached the end of its potential.

The NX1 has a 28 MP sensor, and it handles video just fine, so your argument does not hold.

[majoraxis]

Because Sony is continuing to sell the a6300, I have hope the rolling shutter on a6500 will be improved but not specifically promoted as Sony does not want to talk bad about a current product, I also hope the same is true for over heating.

[tugela]

5 hours ago, Fritz Pierre said:

Sony seems to be practicing the same disastrous environmental policies that Apple does...breeding this concept that something's already obsolete by the time you get it home from the store...must be taking it's cue from Apple and it's iPhone mania...oh well...all the Lemmings jumping happily off the cliff!

It is called competition. If you are essentially competing against yourself, you can update every 3 or 4 years (or even longer). But if competition is white hot in a field with rapid turnover of products, you have to update frequently just to keep up with what competitors are doing. Or you are going to see them take the sales. This is particularly true in consumer markets with higher volumes, where volume makes frequent iterative updates viable.

4 minutes ago, majoraxis said:

Because Sony is continuing to sell the a6300, I have hope the rolling shutter on a6500 will be improved but not specifically promoted as Sony does not want to talk bad about a current product, I also hope the same is true for over heating.

If it has the same sensor and processor, then probably RS will be the same.

[Mattias Burling]

8 minutes ago, tugela said:

The NX1 has a 28 MP sensor, and it handles video just fine, so your argument does not hold.

With loads of moire that is. Just to mention one issue.

[tugela]

Not more so that any other camera.

3 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

3 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

It wouldn't be quite the rip off it is if Sony had done what they should have done.

Announce the A6300 and A6500 TOGETHER at the same time and likewise back when the A7R II was announced, release it with the A7S II at the same time, allow us to make a choice and to buy just one, not stumble into the A7R II or A6300 then end up buying the A6500 or A7S II as well because they're better specced for video...

I actually think as a sales tactic this is disastrous and we will tire of it very quickly.

They have maintained this illusion of constant technological progress... if you think however that in the 6 months between the A6300 and A6500 suddenly Sony invented 5 axis image stabilisation and a touch screen you are mistaken.

It wouldn't be quite the rip off it is if Sony had done what they should have done.

Announce the A6300 and A6500 TOGETHER at the same time and likewise back when the A7R II was announced, release it with the A7S II at the same time, allow us to make a choice and to buy just one, not stumble into the A7R II or A6300 then end up buying the A6500 or A7S II as well because they're better specced for video...

I actually think as a sales tactic this is disastrous and we will tire of it very quickly.

They have maintained this illusion of constant technological progress... if you think however that in the 6 months between the A6300 and A6500 suddenly Sony invented 5 axis image stabilisation and a touch screen you are mistaken.

You are forgetting that the front end has been reworked as well to significantly improve AF capabilities.

It is pretty obvious that the A6500 is being announced now as a direct response to Canon's EOS-M5. Sony do not want to let Canon use the improvements in the M series to take market share from them, which would happen if they did not upgrade the A6300 immediately.

[Geoff CB]

18 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said:

With loads of moire that is. Just to mention one issue.

Detail =\ Moire. The NX1 sensor is unparelled in detail and color. Its DR and RS are it's main weaknesses.

[Emanuel]

Sigh. It is a pity that Samsung is out of the game. Almost as much as this usual thread highjacking, whenever a new toy is out there. Let's accept the fact the summer is over in the northern hemisphere. Southern hemisphere follows.

[BasiliskFilm]

44 minutes ago, tugela said:

The NX1 has a 28 MP sensor, and it handles video just fine, so your argument does not hold.

Not saying it can't be done, though there is no point coming up with a whole new form factor for a slight change in resolution. Sony seems to have made a decision with all the current sensors to optimise for video, and 6K -> 4K downsample seems to give a mighty fine image. Is 6.5K -> 4K going to be any better? 
The 24MP APS-C sensor is already the same pixel size as the 42 MP FF sensor, i.e. pretty high resolution. My guess is that down the line the 42 MP sensor will be developed into an 8K video sensor. There is a logic behind these numbers, not just picking a high number for the sake of it.

[Mattias Burling]

1 hour ago, Geoff CB said:

Detail =\ Moire. The NX1 sensor is unparelled in detail and color. Its DR and RS are it's main weaknesses.

Not true. Plenty of detailed cameras that doesn't get a rainbow colored discolight in fine patterns.

Its DR and RS isnt even all that bad compared to the competition. 

[Damphousse]

On 10/6/2016 at 2:45 AM, Simon Shasha said:

Just bought an A6300. This is bullshit from Sony if true.

A6300 has barely been on the market for 8-months. Guess it'll be priced around X-T2 pricing.

A6500 is 40% more expensive than the A6300.  How exactly is this "bullshit" as you so politely put it?  40% increase in price puts it in another class entirely.  Canon has tons of cameras that aren't separated by a 40% difference in price.

[tugela]

Usually those cameras have poor resolution however, such as the XC10.

Moire will always be present when fine detail approaches the camera's resolution, it is an inherent property of all digital images. So, for a particular scene camera A might show it while camera B does not. But go to a different scene and the reverse will happen.

[Nikkor]

There is moire and there are debayering artifacts that we call moire.

[MattH]

6 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

It won't be more profitable in the long run when people are too afraid to buy a Sony camera for fear that in 2 months they will make it obsolete.

In real terms though, you knew what you were buying when you bought it and you thought it was worth the money. It's the same camera that can do exactly the same thing whether or not a newer camera comes out. You aren't in anyway disadvantaged any more than if they hadn't brought it out.  What you are asking is that sony innovate less in order to moddycoddle your irrational sense of camera inadequacy.    Maybe they did have it ready when the 6300 came out, in which case its fair to say you wished it was released then, but maybe they threw it together after they'd taken a look at the competition.  It that is the case, how would it disadvantage anyone releasing it as soon as its ready.

[Mattias Burling]

6 hours ago, Nikkor said:

There is moire and there are debayering artifacts that we call moire.

Yup, but the NX1 has tons of moire. Lots of other cameras dont get the same level of dancing disco colors. And those arent artifacts. Even the nx500 beats it.

[Xavier Plagaro Mussard]

The a6500 will put stress on Panasonic to do an incredible GH5!!!

[EcoR1]

15 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

It wouldn't be quite the rip off it is if Sony had done what they should have done.

Announce the A6300 and A6500 TOGETHER at the same time and likewise back when the A7R II was announced, release it with the A7S II at the same time, allow us to make a choice and to buy just one, not stumble into the A7R II or A6300 then end up buying the A6500 or A7S II as well because they're better specced for video...

I actually think as a sales tactic this is disastrous and we will tire of it very quickly.

They have maintained this illusion of constant technological progress... if you think however that in the 6 months between the A6300 and A6500 suddenly Sony invented 5 axis image stabilisation and a touch screen you are mistaken.

I think people who complain the announcement of a6500 too soon after the a6300, don't know all the facts. I don't I know them eiher, but if you belive the rumors, the a6300 was delayed at least a year from it's original announcement due to the technical issues. http://www.cameraegg.org/confirmed-sony-a7r-ii-a6000-successor-rx100-iv-to-be-announced-in-april-may/

Of course Sony could have also delayed the a6500 release in purpose, but I think that recent Fuji and Canon mirrorless offerings put some pressure over Sony.

[tugela]

4 hours ago, Mattias Burling said:

Yup, but the NX1 has tons of moire. Lots of other cameras dont get the same level of dancing disco colors. And those arent artifacts. Even the nx500 beats it.

Moire appearing in parts of the image is a function of resolution. The NX500 uses a crop of the same sensor, which means that it has lower resolution than the NX1. Your favorite camera, the XC10, has poor resolution and consequently you don't see moire in those details (since it is not resolving the detail at all). I recall the footage of your moire building, in which you proclaimed the XC10 as being moire free. But the reason it was moire free was that the resolution was so bad that the panels appeared as solid surfaces.

11 hours ago, Nikkor said:

There is moire and there are debayering artifacts that we call moire.

There are also compression artifacts that people call moire as well.

[Davey]

4 hours ago, Xavier Plágaro Mussard said:

The a6500 will put stress on Panasonic to do an incredible GH5!!!

Knowing Sony, they will sneak an A7Riii out before then.

[hmcindie]

If a camera uses the same sensor as a previous camera, odds are that the rolling shutter is 100% same. They could basically just invent words for their press releases and we would not be any wiser. Instead of BSI it's HBI or instead of copper interconnects it's gold! But I've never seen the same sensor operate with a different speed in different cameras. They could speed up the RS but only by skipping fields or cropping in.