tweak Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 I thought I read some info that it was all 1066x cards... but if someone can actually verify speeds that would be the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyalinejim Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 I can verify that my 1066x 256GB cards are sufficient for 25fps full HD. I did a benchmark at the time and it was 90+ for both cards, as far as I remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmcindie Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 3 hours ago, Mattias Burling said: Imo the 5D has one stop less in DR. Until you go up in iso when the 5D starts to have considerably more DR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted October 11, 2016 Super Members Share Posted October 11, 2016 33 minutes ago, hmcindie said: Until you go up in iso when the 5D starts to have considerably more DR. If I compare the maximum DR I can get the bmpcc wins imo. Justin Bacle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmcindie Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 42 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said: If I compare the maximum DR I can get the bmpcc wins imo. At iso 3200 you think the BMCC has more DR? I mean the 5d raw is no slouch in the darkness. Yeah the BMCC can hold onto the highlights better but that's because it basically has zero shadow capability (in the dark, daylight is great for the bmcc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyalinejim Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 I can't compare to the BMPCC as I haven't used it. 5D3 is decent at high ISO but only if you ETTR. The shadows start to become a mess of noise from about 3200, with weird, wavy low frequency noise. So try to stay out of the noise floor (this shown on the RAW histogram) if possible. This noise floor increases with ISO and limits usable dynamic range. You might think you're getting the shot and then come home and have a heart attack when you see the shadow noise. Incidentally I turn off all NR in ACR (except for 20 colour) so that Neat Video can have a decent crack at it. Have had good results this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted October 11, 2016 Super Members Share Posted October 11, 2016 1 hour ago, hmcindie said: At iso 3200 you think the BMCC has more DR? I mean the 5d raw is no slouch in the darkness. Yeah the BMCC can hold onto the highlights better but that's because it basically has zero shadow capability (in the dark, daylight is great for the bmcc). The maximum DR I can get out of a BMPCC/BMCC is at ISO800. Thats what I compare to. Shooting a 5D at ISO3200 in daylight isn't very practical imo. Shooting in situations requiring iso3200 is very rare for me and what the DR is then isn't as important. tweak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Slightly off topic, but speaking of ML Raw Viewer, I just learned that you can process raw files from the BMPCC with it. Probably not the most ideal workflow, but for a quick and easy process, it's pretty cool. You can also convert them into a variant of C-Log, SLog 1 & 2, etc... I wonder if it could be a way to match footage between different cameras. iamoui 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squig Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 15 hours ago, Mattias Burling said: This I haven't experienced. Imo the 5D has one stop less in DR. Colors are even, its down to taste. Have you tested both together? I did a bunch of raw tests with both cameras together shooting high contrast daylight, night street scenes, low key light, etc... The 5D came out on top in every single DR test. At 800 ISO the BMMCC is noisier. The 5D has better highlight recovery and smoother roll-off. 5D color is richer, more accurate, and the skin tones are unmatched. Two scenes I shot were very telling re dynamic range: In the night street scene I couldn't keep the BMMCC shadow noise down to an acceptable level without blowing the headlights and street lights. The 5D nailed the shot. The other telling shot was a sunny sky with a few clouds and a timber fence in the shadow of a tree. Again the BMMCC had narrower usable DR than the 5D. These were challenging tests, under more controlled lighting conditions the differences would be less noticeable of course. I really wanted to love the BMMCC, but the 5D beat it in all but the rolling shutter test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted October 12, 2016 Super Members Share Posted October 12, 2016 Yes Ive used them side by side. Ino the 5D is a 12stop camera which puts it bellow the BMDs and even the d750. Colors, RS, etc is another subject. Im just talking about DR. Justin Bacle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaylee Posted October 13, 2016 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 UPDATE OK!!! so ive been shooting a lil bit trynna figure a workflow thatll be ok for my computer!!! im so busy with work i havent had much time to play with my new camera but i have accomplished the shooting of quite a few raw clips.... and ALL of them look better than any of the video ive ever shot... so im stoked!! v happy!!! BUT!!! i drove out to the country on my day off to do some ml raw testing and, of course, once im in the middle of nowhere ml started crashing during raw shooting. this hadnt happened before, and it *didnt happen later that evening when i tried shooting again*.... recorded fine, longer clips that i had before actually, 30 sec+, and i did NOT change ANY settings inbetween it working and not working what happened earlier in the day was this: i started recording and anywhere from 4-20 seconds in the green camera icon turned yellow and then red. being smart i was like "uh oh thats bad". then the recording stopped with a message like "Recording stopped automagically", it did that a handful of times, and one time the message said something brief about a "bug" - i dont remember exactly cuz it was only on the screen for like a half second (!!!). i tried taking out the battery and the cards, the only thing i know how to do lol, none of that worked. same errors when recording, recording stops. then, like i said, later that night its fine! oh and also it was not hot at all during the day - nice cool weather anyway, im using old ml firmware that came on the card with my used camera, since ive been advised to use the latest nightly build, do you think that would solve my problem? i mean ill definitely update to it once i have a chance to figure out how to do so, im just trynna to troubleshoot the issue... could it be the 64GB komputerbay card that came with the camera? might be 3+ years old. does the canon firmware matter beyond the fact that its old enough to run ml? what should i know here? i reached my like limit but im spiritually liking all the posts in this thread rn ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squig Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 26 minutes ago, kaylee said: anyway, im using old ml firmware that came on the card with my used camera, since ive been advised to use the latest nightly build, do you think that would solve my problem? i mean ill definitely update to it once i have a chance to figure out how to do so, im just trynna to troubleshoot the issue... could it be the 64GB komputerbay card that came with the camera? might be 3+ years old. does the canon firmware matter beyond the fact that its old enough to run ml? what should i know here? Start with updating to the latest nightly. Check which Canon firmware version you're running 1.1.3 or 1.2.3, download the appropriate nightly, reformat the card, and copy the ML files to the card. That's it. If it still freaks out it's most likely the card. You can try recording a slightly smaller frame size to see if it's just a write speed issue (sounds like the buffer's getting full). I mostly record a 2.35:1 ratio for 2.39:1 output. I had an issue with some rogue lines at the edge of the frame, so I shoot 2.35:1 and crop to 2.39:1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaylee Posted October 13, 2016 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 thank you @squig will do!!!!! ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted October 13, 2016 Super Members Share Posted October 13, 2016 A mistake Ive done a few times is that I accidentally record to the SD, which of course is only there to contain the firmware and can only record 10 seconds or so. kaylee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyalinejim Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Yes, and very occasionally for me ML tries to record to SD even though CF is inserted and set to "preferred card" in ML menu. You know this is happening if the bit rate in the upper right corner of the screen is lower than 86 to 90. A reboot solves this one, but it's had me scratching my head more than once. kaylee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaylee Posted October 13, 2016 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 3 hours ago, Mattias Burling said: A mistake Ive done a few times is that I accidentally record to the SD, which of course is only there to contain the firmware and can only record 10 seconds or so. i did that too lol 2 hours ago, hyalinejim said: Yes, and very occasionally for me ML tries to record to SD even though CF is inserted and set to "preferred card" in ML menu. You know this is happening if the bit rate in the upper right corner of the screen is lower than 86 to 90. A reboot solves this one, but it's had me scratching my head more than once. this is exactly the stuff i need to hear. thanks so much guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmanord Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Just wanted to add a few of my notes for what it's worth. Slimraw 10-bit lossless log compression is awesome if space is an issue; and works perfectly with MLVFS to reduce wasted transfers. Resolve and cinemaDNG's makes for an efficient workflow; however, I've had problems recovering highlights in Resolve that Lightroom/ACR have no problems with (magenta cast in highlights and checkered artifacts). For example, the center strip in this video shows the same footage processed with Lightroom vs Resolve on the sides: kaylee and mercer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkabi Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Quick question: Whats the maximum fps override you can get on the 5DIII? Keeping the resolution constant @ 1080p - change the fps... keep increasing it and tell me what the actual fps stops at... Try RAW and non-RAW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyalinejim Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 IIRC max selectable is 42.5 or something in 1080p. There is a crop mode where you can get 1920x800ish that will get 10 to 15 seconds at 60fps. That's 30 seconds when you conform it which may be enough for some applications : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Constantino Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Please guys, give me at least one good reason not to sell my G7 and buy a 5D Mark III for RAW shooting. I'm going nuts here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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