spinkscapes Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 I'm after a solution for a problem I had at a wedding on Saturday. I shot with the Micro (my third wedding with this camera, no issues in the first two) and used the Small HD 501 to monitor (my first wedding with that). The Micro was set to uncompressed RAW, film and ISO 800 all day. During the day the image on the monitor was excellent and gloriously flat. However, when I import the DNG's into Premiere Pro the footage is over-exposed and definitely not flat. Please see the comparison below. The first is the image directly out of Premiere Pro CC 2015.4. The second is off the Small HD when I inserted the SD card back into it to check my image. No Look was applied on the Small HD but just to be sure I connected up the Zacuto Gratical HD and got the same flat image. I would love some help with this aberration as much of the footage in it's un-RAW, over-exposed state is unusable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Bacle Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 When importing dng files into premiere, you can change the exposure settings with "interpret footage" (Have to verify, i always process my raw dngs in Ae (for ACR). Nothing wrong with your files I guess. Just that the default setting has changed ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhnkng Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 It'd been ages since I've imported RAW into Premiere, but is there a setting that applies a look or a curve or a gamma to your footage? I use Resolve for my BMMCC footage (I shoot 3:1 RAW) and Resolve automatically applies a default colour space and gamma, if Premiere does the same thing then it might be applying the wrong colour space / gamma? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Bacle Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Can you send a single frame for me to see if I have the same problem ? I loaded some sample BMCC footage but it doesn't show what I was looking for :s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurtisso Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Hey spinkscapes, as the others are saying, your solution will lie in the interpretation of the raw footage. Don't know your experience with raw workflow so disregard if you know this all already but because you were shooting raw, the flat "look" that you were getting on your monitor is just that, monitoring output. If you were shooting prores, it would "bake-in" that flat look, but raw footage doesn't have any "baking-in", or any other processing done to it for that matter. With raw, it requires interpreting and grading as you will notice what looks like large amounts of contrast, a lack of sharpening and noise reduction etc... This is the flexibility that you are afforded with raw. You can recover all those highlights no problem, they aren't gone! Throw a dng into lightroom and just drop the highlights to -100 and you'll see exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinkscapes Posted November 18, 2016 Author Share Posted November 18, 2016 Hi guys, I've attached one frame for you to play with. Let me know what you suggest. CAM1_2016-11-22_0458_C0111_000144.dng Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Bacle Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 It is quite overexposed, but information is still here. You can process the footage in ACR through After Effects and import it back to Premiere (or dynamic link). In premiere importing the dng directly, using lumetri, here is what I have using default sequence settings : However, if you tick "Maximum Bit depth" on the sequence settings, you are now able to recover some of the highlights but still not as good as ACR. I would then suggest to export your raw files using ACR (in After effects) to a "log" file, and then use it in premiere. Any other ideas ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cary Knoop Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 24 minutes ago, Justin Bacle said: It is quite overexposed, but information is still here. You can process the footage in ACR through After Effects and import it back to Premiere (or dynamic link). In premiere, using lumetri, here is what I have using default sequence settings : However, if you tick "Maximum Bit depth" on the sequence settings, you are now able to recover some of the highlights but still not as good as ACR. I would then suggest to export your raw files using ACR (in After effects) to a "log" file, and then use it in premiere. Any other ideas ? I would not recommend the Lumetri exposure slider. I would recommend instead ProcAmp. In ProcAmp reduce Contrast and Brightness but make sure Clamp Signal on the Scopes is off otherwise you cannot see if you clip the signal. Then after this slightly adjust the temperature in the Lumetri panel like so: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Bacle Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Ooo nice to know, I never used procamp, as I do like the all in one interface of lumetri, but I'll check on my next project, thx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinkscapes Posted November 20, 2016 Author Share Posted November 20, 2016 Yep, a simple brightness and contract adjustment in Premiere Pro renders the videos very usable again. Thanks for the tips guys. Krysty Reading 3.mp4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenomorf Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Lumetri is (sadly) nowhere near ACR in using the DR of Raw (or even Prores). ACR is much better and I have almost given up on Lumetri. You can use AE to grade the Raw sequence and if you use prores (In the future) you can use PP :-) In my opinion you loose almost 2-3 stops of DR using Lumetri... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinkscapes Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 So what do you suggest? Do I need to learn Davinci Resolve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josdr Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 4 hours ago, spinkscapes said: So what do you suggest? Do I need to learn Davinci Resolve? Resolve is a one way street when dealing with Raw.. And its colour tools are much better than Premiere's in my humble opinion.. Resolve is made by Blackmagic to actually digest the footage its cameras produce... Granted its is not as easy to use as premiere yet, and the learning curve is a bit steep I share your agony in getting this footage but hopefully everything will be ok .As long as the bride looks great , windows with blown highlights etc are of no consequence or use.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozzie Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 From my experience, BMD CineDNG files always default at Rec709 color and gamma space. Not sure how you'd do it in Adobe (maybe Camera RAW?), but in Davinci Resolve you can decode your footage by using the 'clip' option under the camera tab, then selecting Blackmagic Design Film. Everything will be back to how you saw it in camera and ready for grading. This is how I see your original recording: webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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