Administrators Popular Post Andrew Reid Posted December 19, 2016 Administrators Popular Post Share Posted December 19, 2016 When I worked for them I had my suspicions they would try and suppress the strident tone of my reviews when it came to Canon's shortcomings in video. Now it's plain for all to see what is going on there - https://***URL removed***/articles/9717214609/filmmaker-scott-dw-trades-his-pro-video-gear-for-canon-eos-80d-watch-the-results I will be sure to get my fix of Canon PR marketing there from now on and of Ebrahim's latest forum frauds. Hanriverprod, Justin Bacle, Marco Tecno and 10 others 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 You could aways voice your concerns on the comments section. Oops, no comments allowed on that one. I am sure it is a mistake. YT comments are allowed though so apparently Canon has more trust in the public opinion than a forum site. Makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted December 19, 2016 Author Administrators Share Posted December 19, 2016 You can read my opinion about this here: http://www.eoshd.com/2016/12/dpreview-introduce-sponsored-content-canon-truly-disappointing/ I don't like it one bit. Ed_David 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arikhan Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 @Andrew Reid Though I do not always agree with your points of view, that's why I read your blog and trust many people here: a kind of "autonomy" (in my eyes) and friendly help, independent of camera or gear brands. "Sponsored content" is a calamity for the internet as a magazine or blog taking money from firms for publishing their articles, loose completely their editorial independence. It's not about money, it's all about independence and credibility - now lost. But no problem, there are enough credible alternatives for DPReview and the other paid henchmen of the camera review industry... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Popular Post Andrew Reid Posted December 19, 2016 Author Administrators Popular Post Share Posted December 19, 2016 Thanks for the support. If people don't agree with me on this, then I will at some point also cave in and do a run of big advertisements splashed on the site and regular sponsored articles. But if my readers say they're NOT fine with this, I won't. Simple as that. So speak up for the indies... not many advertising-free places left now on the internet. It wasn't supposed to be this way online. Emanuel, Davey, MountneerMan and 11 others 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalstorp Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I stopped using DP Review as my #1 stop for digital camera reviews years ago, when ads became there #1 priority, not reviews. However the still have a nice comparison tool for image quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyDulac Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Well said, Andrew. I am sticking with you and agree very much with your views on Dpreview. I have always appreciated your opinion as the most honest and real of anyone else providing similar content to you. You have been my go to and deciding factor on many camera purchases. Keep up the great work and I will certainly be continuing to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arikhan Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 @Andrew Reid Andrew, it's NOT about "advertising-free". It's about autonomy and independence. If you would use here affiliate links, I would be sure you would use them for every reviewed device, independent from manufacturer name. But when working with "sponsored posts" directly from manufacturers means, authors are involved directly with manufacturers money. That does not necessarly mean, manufacturers can buy author's general opinion, but it leaves a quite bad taste in my mouth...Never trust paid morons, expressing manufacturers marketing bullshit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-robert Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Thanks Andrew for speaking up. It is very sad in deed. I was doing my daily walk-around, EOSHD – slashcam – dpreview… and as I saw this, my first thoughts were also: OK, sponsored with orange, but what does this content doing here, among real articles? And I got angry, as I read: “Filmmaker ScottDW trades his pro video gear for Canon EOS 80D…. and the results surprised him” In the camera PR and marketing, the words “pro” and “gamechanger” are probably the most devaluated ones. For me, they have a rather negative meaning, as these words are often used, when they have nothing better to say. So when a pro trades his pro gear for an 80D, and gets surprised…. I think, either - he isn’t a pro, or - it wasn’t an 80D, or - he was not really surprised at all :-) Then I thought, I would write a comment about it, but there is no place for comments there. So I comment it here :-) Emanuel and jonpais 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIKTORVISUAL Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I personally stopped reading or visiting DPreview abou 4 years because all needed info I found on youtube channels that I respect or other forums, maybe if want to compare raw files then you could say go there but only for that option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliKMIA Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Towd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfoot Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Why do you even care ? Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viet Bach Bui Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I don't see a problem with sponsored/paid content (even here at eoshd), as long as it is clearly labelled as such and not being propped up by the host. The real problem is reviewers giving dishonest opinions to gain or retain benefits from the companies, so as long as their reviews remain honest, what's wrong with them getting side income for a service that you're getting for free? mercer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Very few people on this site would do video work for free, in fact many would be outraged by the notion... so why should owners of web sites work for free? I think you should throw up a google banner ad and use affiliate links if it offsets some of your costs... especially if it gives you more of a reason to create more content for the site. JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted December 19, 2016 Author Administrators Share Posted December 19, 2016 I see some people - bigfoot, mercer, viet bach, don't understand what's at stake This isn't me being a communist and bemoaning another site making money from advertising. Viet Bach, you say "as long as their reviews remain honest"... Well honesty is as much about what you DON'T SAY as what you do. Read my article, and what it has to say about self-censoring and PR jaunts. Looking at this purely from a business perspective now, it's bad for business too as readers get sick of it and leave. The watery opinions don't do anyone any good. The sponsored content is only the tip of the iceberg. From a business perspective, in my opinion it is better to to have very high quality premium paid content like books alongside the free articles and standard affiliate links than to compromise the creditability of your entire core business and your reputation with a ton of tacky advertising. Like if you agree. Timotheus, zetty, August McCue and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 3 minutes ago, Viet Bach Bui said: I don't see a problem with sponsored/paid content (even here at eoshd), as long as it is clearly labelled as such and not being propped up by the host. The real problem is reviewers giving dishonest opinions to gain or retain benefits from the companies, so as long as their reviews remain honest, what's wrong with them getting side income for a service that you're getting for free? Because integrity is so easily undermined by greed, even if the compromise is subtle. Yes, there's nothing wrong with somebody getting a side income for honestly reviewing a company's products but that's because those who do so for any length of time are given the boot. You simply don't see them anynore. Those that remain are being dishonest or simply overlooking flaws. All cameras and lenses have flaws. You can't review every Sony, Panasonic, Nikon, Canon or Fuji camera and lens system without hitting some real bummers. Though I own two Sony cameras, there is a hell of a lot of false worship from Sony reviewers and Artisans. I prefer to look at Mr 500 views on YouTube who has not rushed out a review with affiliate links in the race to get top search, but has given honest reviews in the past and isn't afraid to be trampled underfoot by scores of fanboys. He will have bought, used and tested the camera for a good three months and hasn't got it 'on a loan from B&H'. How many times do we see in the comments section a few weeks later (when the issues arise) and the uploaded says: "Oh I don't have it anymore, it was only a loan - had no idea it would burn your house down. Perhaps Sony will fix that in a firmware update" zetty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 This is why I said google banner ads... I don't think you should turn it into cinema5D or no film school, but a google banner ad is the least invasive advertising you could have on your site. With each refresh of the page, a different product would pop up... you would have no direct contact with the advertisers and would not endorse any of them... But... I see your point and it's an admirable position to take! Not that this is any of my business... but does the paid content... books, guides and picture profiles, offset the daily cost of the site? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted December 19, 2016 Author Administrators Share Posted December 19, 2016 16 minutes ago, Davey said: Because integrity is so easily undermined by greed, even if the compromise is subtle. You are 100% right that even if the compromise is subtle, integrity is undermined. I can't say for sure what is motivating them - greed or just a business decision to survive? But it's tacky and actually not even so subtle in many ways... Plastering sponsored content into your blog roll feed is not subtle. 12 minutes ago, mercer said: This is why I said google banner ads... I don't think you should turn it into cinema5D or no film school Too right. I will NEVER turn this site into either of those just to take it to a mainstream audience. Nofilmschool is all clickbate. The headlines and the way it is presented, it's knocked up so quickly there and it's always somebody else's content they are selling their ads around. Cinema5D is a corporate platform and not representative of the passion enthusiasts have for making personal work and learning cameras. I have taken to watching Dave Dugdale on YouTube and The Camera Store TV for fun, the rest of it is just boring, DPReview included, sadly. It's a shame there are not more people putting good content out there. mercer, zetty, Davey and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliKMIA Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 It's troubling for sure but DPR also needs a source of revenue, no one works for free. They have full time people, in depth reviews take time and hosting a website with thousand of visitors cost money. The question is about the business model and I'll move the subject to us, the readers. We always want things for free but bitch against advertising. Are we not the problem ? How many people here would pay $5 or $10 per month to get access to a sponsor/ads free DPR ? If we are not ready to pay for their independence, we must endure the plague of advertorials and sponsorship. As simple as that. Xavier Plagaro Mussard, Neumann Films and tomekk 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I go here, Noam Kroll's site and Prolost. Occasionally, I'll go to no film school to see the headlines of the day, but that's it... 30 seconds in and 30 seconds out. I would imagine it isn't cheap running this site, most people would rather visit a site that does not have ads, but I think most of the people who don't want them aren't on the same integrity page as you and their desire to keep your site ad free is because ads are annoying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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