Simon Shasha Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Phil A said: You do, it's just that that's how VLog L is specified according to the white paper apparently, the other profiles use the full 10bit. I was only interested in 10bit for V-Log L. The GH5 is still amazing, no doubt, but it was so close to being epic...the compression and odd 10bit implementation just kills it for me. Not sure the 400Mbps ALL-I can save it. Really don't wanna use an external recorder - that'll basically defeat what attracted me to the GH5 in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deezid Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 7 minutes ago, Simon Shasha said: I was only interested in 10bit for V-Log L. The GH5 is still amazing, no doubt, but it was so close to being epic...the compression and odd 10bit implementation just kills it for me. Not sure the 400Mbps ALL-I can save it. Really don't wanna use an external recorder - that'll basically defeat what attracted me to the GH5 in the first place. I don't see any problem with the codec or 10 bit or 9 bit color information, the quite strong processing even when sharpening and nr is turned down to -5 worries me quite more. No professional camera does this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert Massey Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Damn, you guys... I've had it in my cart ready to buy.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Shasha Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 14 minutes ago, Herbert Massey said: Damn, you guys... I've had it in my cart ready to buy.... Honestly, if you want a camera that is gonna be very user friendly, ergonomic, light-weight, stabilised, with a video image that is about 90% of what video cameras 10 times as much produce, plus can take killer photos, get the GH5. Despite its codec/10bit short-comings, I am still yet to cancel my two pre-orders. For my style of shooting, "run and gun" and live-event work, it is a phenomenal piece of kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 30 minutes ago, deezid said: I don't see any problem with the codec or 10 bit or 9 bit color information, the quite strong processing even when sharpening and nr is turned down to -5 worries me quite more. No professional camera does this... I guess only on high ISOs, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arson519 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 so my canadian preorder is on backorder so i decided on Wednesday to order from B&H and i got one shipped today. There must be tons at B&H was not expecting it this soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Ross Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 37 minutes ago, arson519 said: so my canadian preorder is on backorder so i decided on Wednesday to order from B&H and i got one shipped today. There must be tons at B&H was not expecting it this soon You ordered it from B&H just in time, it's now sold out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert Massey Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Damnit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Ross Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Herb, try Adorama, they still show it in stock as does Samys Camera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert Massey Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Thanks Ken. I'm one of those agonizers. I can put it in the cart, but can't pull the trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, Herbert Massey said: Thanks Ken. I'm one of those agonizers. I can put it in the cart, but can't pull the trigger. I've had (seemingly) millions of pounds sitting in various carts around the world and never spent a penny. jonpais 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas1 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 41 minutes ago, Herbert Massey said: Thanks Ken. I'm one of those agonizers. I can put it in the cart, but can't pull the trigger. Just wait a bit, there are plenty of people here that will have it soon and test it inside and out, so you'll have your questions answered. Wait for the reports to see if the quality control is good. Maybe you like the GH5 enough to buy instead of rent it? Maybe a GH5 buyer will sell it to you after he decides he needs more then 6400 iso? Davey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanriverprod Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Some off the cuff comparisons between um4.6 and gh5. Would like to see skin off different types of interior lights, wide and cu, and also mixed lights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Both are closer than one would think, but there are so many good LuTs out there now, just about anything is possible. But I would think Raw on the Ursa would be, well, better. But to the average person I doubt they would see it, or even care about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Damn, only 9 bits? I'm cancelling my order! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmarty Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 I am having major issues with V-Log on the GH5. I see significant ghosting and some sort of banding when I pan left and right. It only happens in V-Log, regardless of frame rate, aperture, or shutter speed. I am familiar with S-Log so maybe I am missing something obvious with V-Log? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyalinejim Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 22 minutes ago, zmarty said: I am having major issues with V-Log on the GH5. I see significant ghosting and some sort of banding when I pan left and right. It only happens in V-Log, regardless of frame rate, aperture, or shutter speed. I am familiar with S-Log so maybe I am missing something obvious with V-Log? Post frame grabs. Does it happen at all ISOs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmarty Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 10 minutes ago, hyalinejim said: Post frame grabs. Does it happen at all ISOs? I can do even better than that, I will post test videos: Natural: http://files.hdrcolorgrading.com/2017-04-GH5-Tests/natural.MP4 V-Log: http://files.hdrcolorgrading.com/2017-04-GH5-Tests/vlog.MP4 These are UHD 60fps, straight from the camera and untouched. The videos were taken seconds from one another. The only difference between them is the picture profile. The natural profile has issues as well, but the V-Log problems are quite severe. I hope it's something really simple that I am missing. I don't know the value of the ISO, I will try more detailed experiments tomorrow. hyalinejim 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyalinejim Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Cool. Will don my pixel peeping glasses later and check them out. @zmarty Took a quick look at the V-Log and yes there is some temporal ghosting. Have you tried turning Noise Reduction all the way down? zmarty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmarty Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 12 minutes ago, hyalinejim said: Have you tried turning Noise Reduction all the way down? Yes. I tried with 0 which is the default and with -5, which is the minimum. No major difference. Will try more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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