Neumann Films Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Lesson learned, in a way. I would much rather shoot in a normal picture style and not rely on grading than shoot in VLogL and grade any of the 8bit footage, 4K60 included. I graded these like they were RED files and it shows when you look close enough. Anyways, the link for the footage is in the description of the YouTube video. All in all, I think you will get best results shooting in anything but VLogL and using shallow DOF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSet Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Thank you again for doing this, Luke. Hmm..I wasn't able to get any really good skin tones out of these so maybe someone else can light the way. Good luck, fellas. Neumann Films 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf33d Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Amazing thanks for sharing. Is this as well shot on the 12-35? Looks amazing the DoF for a 2.8 lens on such a tiny sensor, if yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSet Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Looks like the Sigma 1.4, based on the description Neumann Films 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neumann Films Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 Sigma 24mm Art at f 1.4 for most (you can probably spot them), 12-35mm and I think that last shot was 35-100 f 2.8 (Lumix). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf33d Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Wow. With speedbooster Ultra ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neumann Films Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 Just now, wolf33d said: Wow. With speedbooster Ultra ? Nah, just a cheap adapter that we've had for a while. No electronic controls of any kind so we were shooting wide open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSet Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 It's a little early but just playing with those clips a bit more, I'm really not that happy with the colors. This reminds me of my GH4 and my struggles getting really good color out of it. It's a little better than my Sony A7s and 6300 but not as good as the Samsung NX1. To be honest, I'm a little bit less enthused about it now than I was last week. Hmmm.. decisions.. Marco Tecno and rooney111 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neumann Films Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 15 minutes ago, SuperSet said: It's a little early but just playing with those clips a bit more, I'm really not that happy with the colors. This reminds me of my GH4 and my struggles getting really good color out of it. It's a little better than my Sony A7s and 6300 but not as good as the Samsung NX1. To be honest, I'm a little bit less enthused about it now than I was last week. Hmmm.. decisions.. It's the VLog and 25Mbps codec...I would suggest "getting it in camera" when shooting 180fps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vas Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Can't push the 180FPS to much in post it seems. But definitely better than GH4 96FPS ntblowz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSet Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 1 minute ago, vas said: Can't push the 180FPS to much in post it seems. But definitely better than GH4 96FPS That looks really good, much better than what I could do. Thanks for posting. vas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSet Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Ah, I see what you mean now, Luke. You can't push that image around much. I can especially see it with Pete's selfie clip. Maybe Panasonic will be able to improve the bit rate here come release time. Neumann Films 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neumann Films Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 25 minutes ago, SuperSet said: Ah, I see what you mean now, Luke. You can't push that image around much. I can especially see it with Pete's selfie clip. Maybe Panasonic will be able to improve the bit rate here come release time. That one IS a bit different than the others as the color temp of the flash on his phone was really weird. The other clips were easier to get "right"...or at least close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntblowz Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 is 180fps unlimited time like gh4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinad Amir Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Love it great work Luke wonder how twixtor will play this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted January 11, 2017 Administrators Share Posted January 11, 2017 10 hours ago, Neumann Films said: It's the VLog and 25Mbps codec...I would suggest "getting it in camera" when shooting 180fps. Are their any step-changes in quality as you go down from 180fps with the variable frame rate option? Say 120fps or 96fps - any more detailed and less aliasing? Marco Tecno 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunk Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 There is either a lot of NR going on or the compression is at fault, but a lot of detail is missing ...especially noticable on the skin (subjective as I wouldn't recognise it on a wall). The screenshots are taken from frames were some detail was still visible. It's not kinefinity but it's a joy to grade nevertheless. If possible I really would like to see how CineD is behaving. Marco Tecno 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyWithNoH Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 12 hours ago, Neumann Films said: It's the VLog and 25Mbps codec...I would suggest "getting it in camera" when shooting 180fps. Yeah V-log L with GH4 4K 8 bit footage was a no-no, Panasonic didn't even publicly deny that. That issue of not being able to push the image is even more so the case with higher fps where you get a really low bitrate per frame. How'd you come up with 25mbps? I'm guessing you mean 25MBps even though I know you know your stuff and that that's not the normal way to communicate it... so I'm a little confused here. VFR was 100mbps on the GH4 and I imagined it'd be around 150mbps on the GH5. I'm interested to see how the REC 709 profile looks, natural with a lowered contrast was a good baked in look on the GH4. Also, there's LUT preview monitoring, right? Does that include luts you can import? I know you can save your camera settings to an SD card - so I imagine adding in different input or creative luts wouldn't be difficult. Also, thank you for the GH5 content! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neumann Films Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 8 minutes ago, AnthonyWithNoH said: Yeah V-log L with GH4 4K 8 bit footage was a no-no, Panasonic didn't even publicly deny that. That issue of not being able to push the image is even more so the case with higher fps where you get a really low bitrate per frame. How'd you come up with 25mbps? I'm guessing you mean 25MBps even though I know you know your stuff and that that's not the normal way to communicate it... so I'm a little confused here. VFR was 100mbps on the GH4 and I imagined it'd be around 150mbps on the GH5. I'm interested to see how the REC 709 profile looks, natural with a lowered contrast was a good baked in look on the GH4. Also, there's LUT preview monitoring, right? Does that include luts you can import? I know you can save your camera settings to an SD card - so I imagine adding in different input or creative luts wouldn't be difficult. Also, thank you for the GH5 content! I meant 25Mbps, yeah. EDIT...I said 25Mbps originally, not 25mbps. 2 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: Are their any step-changes in quality as you go down from 180fps with the variable frame rate option? Say 120fps or 96fps - any more detailed and less aliasing? Looks like 120fps is up in the 40Mbps range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf33d Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 15 minutes ago, Neumann Films said: I meant 25Mbps, yeah. EDIT...I said 25Mbps originally, not 25mbps. Looks like 120fps is up in the 40Mbps range. Why would they not allow 40Mbps for the 180fps this is ridiculous Probably a cripple for their Cine cameras.. Marco Tecno 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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