Super Members Mattias Burling Posted January 16, 2017 Super Members Share Posted January 16, 2017 Should probably be taken with some salt. That Canon leads the way is not news. They have pretty much always outsold the rest. But I seriously didn't expect Sony to be beaten by both Canon and Olympus in mirrorless and by Panasonic in video cameras. https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.bcnaward.jp/award/gallery/2017/hard/p2.html&usg=ALkJrhhGLrPCoDSj_m6TzqSR5yvYRAbHlw Another chart: Olympus lost 8% but it looks like it was to Canon not Sony. http://www.43rumors.com/2016-sales-report-olympus-lost-8-sales-share-in-japan/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSet Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Interesting chart. Panasonic must have sold a bunch of GH4s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted January 16, 2017 Author Super Members Share Posted January 16, 2017 7 minutes ago, SuperSet said: Interesting chart. Panasonic must have sold a bunch of GH4s. You mean when they where third in 2015? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted January 16, 2017 Administrators Share Posted January 16, 2017 The pinch of salt comes in handy because the Japanese market is so different to the rest of the world. Nice to see Olympus doing well back at home though! Mattias Burling, wolf33d and Geoff CB 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 I had posted somewhere an English version a little while ago (it could be a different forum though!), anyway, the numbers spoke. If you see the detailed analysis, the bulk of the sales are entry level, or discounted older models, cameras that we never discussed, or like here. You can all see that our needs are vastly different than the mainstream, and Canon knows what the people want! Also, Canon must sell in developing countries huge amounts of cheap dSLR, M3 (or whatever number their cheap mirrorless have) and a few 80D. China/India are 1/3 of the population on the planet, I do not see too many people from there investing in 10bit equipment or anything exotic. They want something that works reliably, and sufficiently for their needs. webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted January 16, 2017 Administrators Share Posted January 16, 2017 More like Japanese needs are often vasty different to the mainstream. EOS M sales flunked everywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted January 16, 2017 Author Super Members Share Posted January 16, 2017 4 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: The pinch of salt comes in handy because the Japanese market is so different to the rest of the world. Nice to see Olympus doing well back at home though! For sure, still a bit unexpected. And yeah, Go Olympus! Always had high hopes for them. Stanley 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleison Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 I am assuming Sony was affected by the floods that reduced their capacity to make sensors for their cameras. Either that or we have reached a point where the enthusiasts are tapped out money wise and the lower end of the market cannot afford sony products (makes sense since sony has placed themselves on the higher tier cost wise). I don't think Sony has any products that compete well under the $500 segment. On the other hand, this segment is flooded/dominated by canon products such as the rebel. Companies who cater to a wider ranger of buyers will obviously sell more products. I don't think Sony especially cares right now. They are aiming for the enthusiast market and ultimately the pro market. Once established, I think they will then go for the mainstream market. Right now, competing with canon, etc. in the mainstream market is NOT a good idea (remember the failed NEX brand?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Tecno Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 If canon had a camera like nx1/a6500/xt2, very few ppl would care about other brands/cameras. Canon brand is simply to strong and camera market is made of loyal customers, averse to change. rooney111 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Marco Tecno said: If canon had a camera like nx1/a6500/xt2, very few ppl would care about other brands/cameras. Canon brand is simply to strong and camera market is made of loyal customers, averse to change. But it does, its the EOS-M line and its not that great webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted January 16, 2017 Author Super Members Share Posted January 16, 2017 1 hour ago, eleison said: I am assuming Sony was affected by the floods that reduced their capacity to make sensors for their cameras. And Nikon, Fuji, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanveer Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Kisaha said: Also, Canon must sell in developing countries huge amounts of cheap dSLR, M3 (or whatever number their cheap mirrorless have) and a few 80D. China/India are 1/3 of the population on the planet, I do not see too many people from there investing in 10bit equipment or anything exotic. They want something that works reliably, and sufficiently for their needs. Actually Canon, Nikon and (now) Sony have pretty good supply chain and after sales. Panasonic is mostly a damn squid in India. I even met one of the directors from Panasonic (Japan) here (I think he was their product head), and I figured that the India operations needs a major overhaul. There is no reason why they aren't bringing most of their ILC models and why they shouldn't prioritise the GH5 with regard to India and China. Terrible planning, more than anything else. And supply chain. And after sales. Kisaha and webrunner5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted January 16, 2017 Author Super Members Share Posted January 16, 2017 An observation from a fellow on the rumor site. Could be Fuji on the rise. At least in Sweden where mirrorless always have struggled they are becoming a household name. "The total sale share for the 3 top sellers awarded 2016 (2015 sales) is 72,9 %. The total sale share for the 3 top sellers awarded 2017 (2016 sales) is 63,2 %. I guess this indicates that others vendors further down the rank have had higher shares lately, as I doubt mirrorless at large is losing sales momentum compared to other platforms..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Tecno Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Don Kotlos said: But it does, its the EOS-M line and its not that great I was not clear. I wanted to say...if canon had a mirrorless camera as good as nx1, a6500 or x-t2....which it has not. Kisaha and rooney111 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 On Monday, January 16, 2017 at 6:28 AM, Mattias Burling said: Should probably be taken with some salt. That Canon leads the way is not news. They have pretty much always outsold the rest. But I seriously didn't expect Sony to be beaten by both Canon and Olympus in mirrorless and by Panasonic in video cameras. https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.bcnaward.jp/award/gallery/2017/hard/p2.html&usg=ALkJrhhGLrPCoDSj_m6TzqSR5yvYRAbHlw Another chart: Olympus lost 8% but it looks like it was to Canon not Sony. http://www.43rumors.com/2016-sales-report-olympus-lost-8-sales-share-in-japan/ Wow. Sigma beat Nikon for lenses sold :-o JVC came third to Panasonic and Sony for video cameras. Hope JVC makes a LS300 mk2. Sony did not make the top three for SLRs with their A mount cameras. Kisaha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 ..and I was wondering if JVC ever sold more than 200 cameras! You all know that I believe LS300 is in the right direction and best value for money. I just used it a few hours ago, for this documentary series I work, but a mkII can fix (or improve) on some issues, that can make this camera, truly the best value for money video camera on the market. I am expecting an LS300 by Panasonic too. Nikon is going DOWN.. Very good reading of the charts @IronFilm , missed those two! webrunner5 and Justin Bacle 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arikhan Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 @Kisaha As it seems you have some experience with the ls300, I hope you could answer some questions: Have you already used it with Canon lenses? If yes, how do you adapt Canon lenses to its MFT mount? Metabones? Which active adapter should be used? Does it support Canons IS when mounted to the camera? What about AF quality with Canon / Panasonic lenses? (I know AF is supported, but never saw a serious in deep test of it) What about low light? Comparable with the NX1 (which I know you are using exetensively) or better? Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted January 18, 2017 Author Super Members Share Posted January 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, Arikhan said: @Kisaha As it seems you have some experience with the ls300, I hope you could answer some questions: Have you already used it with Canon lenses? If yes, how do you adapt Canon lenses to its MFT mount? Metabones? Which active adapter should be used? Does it support Canons IS when mounted to the camera? What about AF quality with Canon / Panasonic lenses? (I know AF is supported, but never saw a serious in deep test of it) What about low light? Comparable with the NX1 (which I know you are using exetensively) or better? Thank you! I have used it a bit. 1. Yes 2. Metabones work great. 3. Yes. 4. Its ok imo. 5. On par I guess or the NX1 might be a tad better. Here is IS and AF with canon glass. This is all hand-held with a Canon 35mm IS. jonpais and Arikhan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arikhan Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 @Mattias Burling Thank you for the quick reply! My impression: The colours are quite "neutral"...What about DR compared with the NX1? In my eyes, DR looks much better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 38 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said: I have used it a bit. 1. Yes 2. Metabones work great. 3. Yes. 4. Its ok imo. 5. On par I guess or the NX1 might be a tad better. Here is IS and AF with canon glass. This is all hand-held with a Canon 35mm IS Super nice work, Mattias! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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