Jimmy Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 http://www.canon.co.uk/cameras/eos-77d Another generally boring Canon release, but could this be a turned into a beast by the ML team? DPAF, 5 axis stablisation, decent low light, better DR I guess the issue is whether the buffer/SD is fast enough to write a usable resolution in raw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted February 19, 2017 Administrators Share Posted February 19, 2017 I am curious why you think it would be more of a 'perfect' Magic Lantern raw video candidate than the 5D Mark IV or 80D or even EOS M6. There's nothing even unique about the 77D, even within the Canon range. I can't speak for them but Magic Lantern would probably prefer to crack the 5D Mark IV before touching the most uninspired, basic, boring camera on the planet. 77D is practically the same camera as the 80D. I am shocked it even exists. The "5 axis stabilisation" is a con... it is the same old lens IS plus a digital crop, which softens the image even more. I can think of a million other cameras that are more interesting from a technology point of view. It's not even that cheap! jonpais, wolf33d and IronFilm 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Bacle Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 The only thing that is worth that X camera is the best for ML would be increased maximum write speeds (for ML raw). I don't see anything like that on the 77D. I'll be listening when canon announces a new DSLR with CFast support :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted February 19, 2017 Author Share Posted February 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said: The "5 axis stabilisation" is a con... it is the same old lens IS plus a digital crop, which softens the image even more. The video samples look more than just a con to me. Smooth and jitter free. The softness would be negated by the raw of ML. DPAF is the big one though... be it the 77D or 80D.... not everyone can afford the 5Div Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liork Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 "5 axis stabilisation" is bullshit, its a software only thing that you have with every normal Video editing software. Marco Tecno and IronFilm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted February 19, 2017 Administrators Share Posted February 19, 2017 34 minutes ago, Jimmy said: DPAF is the big one though... be it the 77D or 80D.... not everyone can afford the 5Div Get a 70D then Already has DPAF and Magic Lantern raw. As of nearly 2 years ago. http://www.eoshd.com/2015/04/magic-lantern-now-working-on-canon-70d-both-versions/ I'd rather they cracked the EOS M5 or M6 anyway, as the mirrorless form factor is better suited to video. zerocool22, Kisaha and Justin Bacle 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 14 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: Get a 70D then Already has DPAF and Magic Lantern raw. As of nearly 2 years ago. http://www.eoshd.com/2015/04/magic-lantern-now-working-on-canon-70d-both-versions/ I'd rather they cracked the EOS M5 or M6 anyway, as the mirrorless form factor is better suited to video. I've been patiently waiting for the price of the 70D to drop, so I can do just that... hopefully the release of the 77D will help it to drop. The M6 is interesting because I believe it isn't based on the Powershot like the M5, M3 and M10 before it... so that one may just be possible. Doesn't the XC10 have the same software based IS? If so, I have yet to use a better IS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 4 hours ago, Jimmy said: http://www.canon.co.uk/cameras/eos-77d Another generally boring Canon release, but could this be a turned into a beast by the ML team? DPAF, 5 axis stablisation, decent low light, better DR I guess the issue is whether the buffer/SD is fast enough to write a usable resolution in raw. Digital stabilization 1080p, wow so exciting (for us) Justin Bacle and wolf33d 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Bowgett Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Honestly, even the simultaneously-announced 800D looks like a (comparatively) more exciting product, seeing how it also has DPAF and just about all the other major features of the 77D at a lower price point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inazuma Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 77D is somewhat exciting for me as its an 80D (with its modern sensor) in a Rebel sized body, so very close to mirrorless bodies like the XT2 and GH4. But still lacking a good 22 or 23mm lens and good 1080p, so as always I have to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 You are very harsh guys, this camera has WiFi AND Bluetooth.. I hope now that we are over with cameras we don't really care (in this forum at least) to see really soon the C100markIII we deserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf33d Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 It has Digic 7 processor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liork Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 It has a Canon tag slao, comes with a price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted February 20, 2017 Author Share Posted February 20, 2017 16 hours ago, mercer said: Doesn't the XC10 have the same software based IS? If so, I have yet to use a better IS. Exactly.... I dont really care how they do it, if it looks good, it looks good. Good IS, amazing AF and 1080p raw would be amazing... at this price point. mercer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liork Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Of course you care, Digital stabilization reduces FOV - crops the frame and also hearts sharpness. On sensor IBIS does not suffer from this. In editing software, you can at least decide how strong you want this affect. And when you shoot 4K (which the XC10 has) with stabilization to get 1080p, you are getting much sharper results you can only dream of when using this 77D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted February 20, 2017 Author Share Posted February 20, 2017 The camera might be using some gyro data that simply is not possible if you do it in post. I'm not a tech head, so put simply... I really do not care. If I am getting a stable image, with amazing AF and good quality 1080p, like on other ML raw cams, I couldn't care less. ps the XC10 only has full IS in 1080p anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liork Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Ofcourse the XC10 has is in 1080p only, it uses more pixels than you see in the image itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 Which is how it would work on an s35 sensor too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liork Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 In 1080p the D77 crops the image with this stupid "IS" that the cheaper G85 has (along with real IBIS), if you have a 4K camera, you can have stabilized 1080p where you control crop and also get much sharper results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 Like i said... i seriously don't care if there is a small crop, as long as it works. It's an s35 sensor... a small crop is hardly life changing. A small crop on the xc10 is much more serious due to the small sensor... yet i still dont care... because it works! The g85 cant have magic lantern... so no point thinking about it in terms of my original post Justin Bacle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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