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[markm]

Andrew what you are talking about are the symptoms of what I have said.

 

The problem is a lack of working class jobs bought on by cheap imports from China who have a a much lower currecency and will deliberately devalue it on order to keep their goods cheap. They also pay low wages and burn coal freely polluting the atmosphere.

 

In a properly run country This is how it works

 

Our government charge import duty on goods coming in to level the playing field. This means our workers can compete with cheap goods and manufacturers can make money. However our government does not level the playing field so working class jobs disappear.

 

The EU want to share the wealth equally among all nation states in order to install the euro and their regime. SO say you allow in one million polish workers who each send home £100 per week back to poland where that same £100 will be worth an awful lot more So times that by one million and you have a hundred million per week leaving the country. Now say you spread that over a year you have 5 billion leaving the country Then spread that over ten years years You just lost 50 billion. Now there are a lot more than a million EU workers sending home money So money is leaving this country faster than water though a sieve which is exactly what the EU wants To spread the wealth with the unfortunate consequence as a richer country we lose.

 

BUT bosses are happy to pay teachers £30 an hour but only wants to pay working classes £7 so they advertise and can't get british workers because they are not offering enough and so employ EU workers happy to take what they can. However market forces would have meant British working classes would have been offered higher wages if cheap labour had not been imported so the working classes now are either on the dole or earning peanuts. Bosses prefer EU workers as they are percieved as harder working easier to sack and dont take time off. As well as rip off too.

 

The EU is a single party

 

For example in the UK we have three main parties and every five years we elect who we want Keeping the parties working for us or lose their jobs.

 

However the EU party has no labour tory or liberal replacement possibilities and you can only vote in the EU and that makes the EU a dictatorship Once they have control they could then vote in every MEP satys in their job untill retirement OR a million pound bonus weekly Whose going to stop them? They are in power forever with no opposition. So you see the EU is a politicians wet dream and what they are veering us towards.

 

You could if you had an ounce of common sense vote UKIP but many wont because their fathers always voted for Labour Torys etc who are using this to take our country and democracy from us.

 

Recently the Police arrested lots of politicians for the expenses scandal Soon after the politicians took over the police by installing politicians to run them even thoguh they needed a referendum and the turnout was not high enough for it to be legal they did it anyway. Now they have given those commissioners the power to hire and fire who they want so Police will do as the politicians say. There wont be anymore cash for peerages cash for questions or expenses scandals because the politicians have systematically gagged the press through using the likes of hugh grant and taken control of the police.

 

The politicians do not work for us they conspire together to take what they can. The Bilderbergers are a place where politicians meet business and between themselves cut the profits.

 

Unbelievably in a world now turned upside down where right is wrong and wrong is right they are getting away with it.

 

TV and films are one of their best propaganda vehicles for changing peoples ability to know right from wrong anymore.

[Axel]

Again: 

1. Tarantino with his roguish attitude is not exactly Sam The Eagle when it comes to law&order righteousness. But Basterds and Django define very well what is right and what is wrong. And to imply that he took the wrong sides would make you look, well, ill-informed, to put it mildly.

 

 

You could if you had an ounce of common sense vote UKIP but many wont because their fathers always voted for Labour Torys etc who are using this to take our country and democracy from us.

The whole party is ultra-right-wing. Perhaps ill-informed is quite a mild term.

 

 

2. Tarantino doesn't show violence 'as realistic as he can'. Both films are completely unrealistic fantasies. Vengeance fantasies. They cite other films, and they don't hide that. The holocaust happened without the german people having to be seduced by frivolous films that mixed up right and wrong (Stolz der Nation is crude, primitive propaganda, the real nazi films were romantic comedies full of likeable characters, where everybody knew to 'behave', knew right from wrong etc.). This reality left no room for utopia, only in cinema. The Revenge Of The Giant Face ...

 

Ah, and all the evil schemes! The government, the EU! The international conspiracies! How far about do you have to travel back in history to find authorities acting against the interests of people? One is responsible for his own actions, end of story. 

[markm]

Axel

 

viewers dont expect to be left sided by a film maker and we follow the rules we have been trained to follow IE Editing time manipulation etc. We take our cues without questioning.

 

Thats why its so easy to be fooled.

 

brad pitt in inglourious basterds looks and sounds and acts like a hero The valiant man who corrects history. Only this man scalps people and keeps them because he likes them. Therefore he looks and sounds like a hero but he is in fact a villain dressed as a hero. This tells an audience that a hero can torture maim and kill in a fun enjoayable way. The scalpings were very realistic adding to the realism. Now if this was the good guy doing the bad things fine we all know thats what bad guys do. But a good guy? Imagine kirk or john wayne doing the same thing Or the man with no name.

 

Subliminaly you are taken in and the brain washing begins where the lines between right and wrong merge and disappear into right is wrong and wrong is right.

 

Soon you too will be a mindless moron wanting to attend executions to watch horrors inflicted on good or bad

 

In fact why not build the amphitheatre now and use lions to kill christians and gladiators each other Just be so much quicker dont you think?

 

Why not do what the aztecs did and play constellation football with the losers having their hearts ripped out or decapitated.

 

Why not follow Sharia law and have beheadings stonings limb amputations.

 

There is a whole list of GREAT ideas to reshape our ideology into something different Wetern civilisation has been here a fraction of a second and the closest we came to getting it right but lets throw it all away and entertain new morals because lets face it everyone has the right to what they want dont they.

[markm]

Axel

 

viewers dont expect to be left sided by a film maker and we follow the rules we have been trained to follow IE Editing time manipulation etc. We take our cues without questioning.

 

Thats why its so easy to be fooled.

 

brad pitt in inglourious basterds  looks and sounds and acts like a hero The valiant man who corrects history. Only this man scalps people and keeps them because he likes them. Therefore he looks and sounds like a hero but he is in fact a villain dressed as a hero. This tells an audience that a hero can torture maim and kill in a fun enjoayable way. The scalpings were very realistic adding to the realism. Now if this was the good guy doing the bad things fine we all know thats what bad guys do. But a good guy? Imagine kirk or john wayne doing the same thing Or the man with no name.

 

Subliminaly you are taken in and the brain washing begins where the lines between right and wrong merge and disappear into right is wrong and wrong is right.

 

Soon you too will be a mindless moron wanting to attend executions to watch horrors inflicted on good or bad

 

In fact why not build the amphitheatre now and use lions to kill christians and gladiators each other Just be so much quicker dont you think?

 

Why not do what the aztecs did and play constellation football with the losers having their hearts ripped out or decapitated.

 

Why not follow Sharia law and have beheadings stonings limb amputations.

 

There is a whole list of GREAT ideas to reshape our ideology into something different Wetern civilisation has been here a fraction of a second and the closest we came to getting it right but lets throw it all away and entertain new morals because lets face it everyone has the right to what they want dont they.

[matt2491]

Good god, markm, you are exhausting.

[Axel]

brad pitt in inglourious basterds looks and sounds and acts like a hero The valiant man who corrects history. Only this man scalps people and keeps them because he likes them. Therefore he looks and sounds like a hero but he is in fact a villain dressed as a hero. This tells an audience that a hero can torture maim and kill in a fun enjoayable way. The scalpings were very realistic adding to the realism. Now if this was the good guy doing the bad things fine we all know thats what bad guys do. But a good guy? Imagine kirk or john wayne doing the same thing Or the man with no name.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUcgI9jwhlA

 

Watch from 0'54"

[Leang]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyXohnrEXVA

 

manga, son!

[markm]

Good god, markm, you are exhausting.

 

You're right I've said enough Work it out for yourselves one way or another. Pretty meaningless as no one is listening.

[Bruno]

I am however for keeping our ideology that right is right and wrong is wrong.

That's not our ideology Mark, it's YOURS, and you can't seem to understand that.

It's your choice to watch these films or not to watch them. It's not up to you or anyone else to determine the molds and rules of any artist's art, and it's certainly not up to tou to determine what we should be watching. You have the right to not like it, but that's it. You also have all the right to condemn and diss a piece of art you've never even seen, it just doesn't do much for your credibility...

Right is not just right, and wrong is not just wrong, there's way too many shades of grey in between, real life is not that basic or simplistic and neither should art be.

[bwhitz]

 aand I'm not just talking about your average thug I mean all the politicians bankers and big business who are taking everything for themselves and leaving nothing as the poor get poorer and the rich richer Where do you think they are getting their morals from.

 

Ok, I can tell from this one sentence alone that you're operating on very false and skewed premises. This train of thought is what is actually destroying civilization. The poor are not poor because something was "taken" from them. They are poor because we have very large population-to-industry ration right now... and the amount of industrial jobs and physical labor is decreasing regardless if products are manufacturing overseas or not. Things will eventually be mostly automated. And we don't "owe" it to laborers to simply stop progress in the name of keeping unneeded jobs around for no reason. Nobody is at "fault" for poverty.

I'll try to address a few of these flawed premises here...

First of all, besides some corruption, bankers and business do not "take" from anyone. Capitalism operates in a non-zero-sum system. The rich are not rich because some are poor, they are rich because they created the wealth (at one time or another) by creating products and services that people use. It raises the wealth of everybody. This is a non-zero system. It's also the most common misconception about economics that probably arises to avoid cognitive dissonance when people find themselves in bad situations. People would like to blame their misfortunes on the "greed" of others, but this is really not how things work. It's simply just proletarian propaganda. Nobody in a capitalistic country like the US actually benefits from poverty. If the current poor could somehow be elevated out of poverty, it would raise the wealth of everybody as a whole. Especially the "evil" corporation owners. The sad truth is, most poor, are poor, because their lacking in skills, motivation, creative, talent, ect... in comparison to society as a whole. It feels convenient to our brains to believe that they were somehow "cheated"... but it's really not so.

 

Secondly, this has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with "morals". It's just in human nature to achieve as much as we can for ourselves, families, friends, and communities. We are not a collectively wired species. We would have NEVER EVOLVED if early humans had refused to better themselves and families until every last person was taken care of. There is nothing in nature and science that even points to this being possible. There is no working system where all people can live exactly the same regardless of circumstance. It's just not real. I can get really philosophical and deep here, but to be brief, this is just anti-existence/nature in general. This is fantasy-land childish thinking. You can't simply "teach" people to "not be greedy" and then have poverty magically disappear. This is NOT REALITY. And again, this has nothing to do with morals!!!

 

Sadly, you seem to be one of those people who ignore reality and nature and believes that it's possible to create a utopia free of all suffering and violence by simply "teaching" it away. This couldn't be further from the truth. Some people are just inherently good, and some are bad. Allot are in-between.

And to get back to the topic of this thread as a whole... entertainment and film DO NOT effect people in the way you're describing. People are not bad because they "learn it". There are example of this, sure, but on a whole... behavior and mental stability are inherent traits. I've been watching "violent" movies like Terminator and such since I was 7 or 8. Never had violent urges in my life. I've had friends who've listened to insane death-metal and murder-music their whole lives, watch disturbing horror/killing films, and they are the nicest people who wouldn't hurt a fly. I've ALWAYS known the difference between reality and movies. My parents didn't even have to explain it to me. To ANY mentally stable person, the difference is OBVIOUS. It's a bunch of BS to listen to anyone who says differently, and they're probably just trying to push some "agenda".

 

It's all part of the same line of thinking that you revealed in the sentence I quoted above. The belief that there is always someone "to blame" for all of life's problems and misfortunes. You're rejecting the vary notion of inherent traits and nature itself.

I know it's popular to believe we can "teach away" all the bad of life. And that with the right institutions and removal of "greed", everyone will prosper, but it's really a dangerous road to go down... as it's just not based on anything or even tangible in real-life. This is ultimately what leads to totalitarian and Orwellian outcomes... the rejection of reality and the "surrender" of liberty to those who claim they can "fix" everything.

[markm]

bwitz

 

You are clearly clueless and have no idea how countries work and yet here you are spouting off what you dont know..

 

I was talking about the UK by the way.

 

But talking of America. President Bush changed American banking rules that forced fannie mac and freddie mae to lend to poor immigrnat mexicans

Those amazing great American institutions sold BILLIONS of those worthless mortgages and loans to British bankers amongst others Bankers were then awarded huge bonuses for bringing in business that was worthless. This went on for a number of years until the FBI blew the whistle on it and suddenly the banks were forced to admit they were sitting on a worhless pile of paper making them worthless. The bankers banks were all in on it But the Amercan government knew from day 1 what was happening.

 

America caused the banking crisis and so the economic recession of the western world. You are right its human nature to take what you can like greedy bankers did. You are wrong that human nature like this cant be taught out by a moral code tempered with justice and policed by those who believe in right and wrong.

 

It happens every day It's called a court of law.

 

I wont bother in dealing with your putdowns of me.

[markm]

Lets look at how poor become that way.Assuming of course people want to work

 

The UK kicked off the industrial revolution and made all our own goods. Whether that be clothes furniture energy whatever. We made our own everything. We also exported to the world. We had a big essential need for working class people. Some got very rich Others who were born to it supervised the whole thing and took the profits.

 

Today some of those who ammassed a lot of wealth are still turning the cogs and having a say in politics.

 

The rich families could afford to BUY their kids a good education and then on to a university like oxford which is where they are groomed for all the nice top jobs.

 

Politicians whether Labour Tory or Liberal are mostly made up of those from wealthy backgrounds with very little representation from the working classes.

 

In this country we have a currency called the pound. The pounds value is decided by markets. If you have a strong pound then it is worth more in other countries. The problem with a strong pound is that it makes exports dearer for other countries to buy british goods but also the reverse is true Say for example chinese goods with a low currency market value that is fraudently devalued by a chinese government means that in this country chinese goods are very very cheap.

 

If a worker has to spend 1 hour making something that worker is paid one hours work. In this country through unions and government we have secured what amounts to a living wage. A living wage in this country thanks to a high currency is worth a lot more in another so say a worker here earns £6 He can buy fish and chips. If a worker in Poland earns £6 then spends it in poland he can buy 6 fish and chips.

 

If a business sets up here and makes goods and pays his worker £6 per hour he cannot compete with a worker in china paid £1 per week. When you go to shop you look for the cheapest price. IE not many can afford Arri prices but everyone can afford chinese prices.

 

So as film makers we buy equipment at a lower cost that often means near slave labour and put our own workers out of work. How stupid is that.

 

Of course as individuals we cannot be expected to all act in unison IE if you decide to buy British then everyone else wont. We need leaders.

 

Our government decide who their candidates will be in an election so in my constiituency area the candidate chosen for us is from the other side of the country has no previous upbringing or allegiance and is in fact an outsider. We have a choice of three of this type of specially chosen candidate. Really candidates should be chosen from their own communities and a share taken from all sections of the community that represent the make up of that community For example a working class town should have a working class MP However 9 times out of ten its a specially chosen candidate that is one of the boys.

 

So our parliament already consists mostly of those wh are not representative of the people. They make the rules. So what should they be doing?

 

1) level the playing field to make currencies match. Easy charge import and export duty.

2) Control immigration which is like a dam. You allow a certain number in when more workers are needed and you ease off when times are bad.

 

So what do our government do for us?

1) In bad times Have an open door immigration policy that allows anyone in through the EU

2) Build the biggest port in the world and new superships to import as much as they can from china. They just cant bring it in quick enough.

 

This destroys just about all working class jobs Only jobs that require specific higher skills are available. Working class jobs left in the service industy like cleaning are now mostly taken by those from the EU.  WHY???

 

Bosses are often a greedy lot who like to hire and fire and pay little. British workers are often protected by rights and by an attitude of fair play. 

You may have a small business that has worked self employed for years for a company only to find the bosses sack you and get in cheap EU labour and that is happening everywhere. Of course working classes also spend their money in the local community IE Shops But cant do that if they have no jobs and so high streets close down and I'm not talking about the big items you may by online who incidently cheat because often they pay no taxes but the stuff working class go into town for like a pair of jeans New shoes Maybe a CD dvd a magazine Kids who want sweets or a walkman or maybe some school stuff ALL denied because the money from the local economy is no longer there Its in the poorer countries of the EU Because that is exactly what the EU stated aim is TO share the wealth between countries.

 

I could go on and on but if you can grasp the gist of this then understand.

 

The British people are deliberatly being robbed of their country and their jobs by a political class not working for them but themselves To secure their own futures for their kids. We are all being sold out.

 

Now I am not being conspiratorial I dont believe the American government set up 9/11 or that aliens have landed.

 

I do believe that those in power no longer have the morals integrety or allegiance to the people and its up to us to recognise that and change our voting habits to stop it. Its also up to us as film makers to make comment on our politicians. We may think there are problems in society caused by other things but everything is top down.

 

How could you as  a working class or poor member of society hold respect for those in charge? The bankers who fiddled us all and cost us a recession The politicians who took bribes in cash for quesions Who award peerages to their mates. Who rip off the country through expenses and then there are the things we cant prove but know are there. John Prescott with his secretary having sex on the desk in admiralty arch while workers are feet away. If you dont respect them how are you going to respect their rules. Youre not. So everyone feels the examples set from the top are the new norm.

 

Combine this with a society that doesn't teach kids boundaries anymore and where everyone believes they can do what they want and have it all When those people with a sense of entitlement have nothing and see the rich waltzing around in all the latest stuff while they have unnaffordable petrol rocketing food VAT at 20% Council tax of £1200 per year Even getting a working class job means you can only afford food while sitting there in the cold. That by its defination is slavery Because you are not getting paid only food and somewhere to sleep.

 

Personally I have 5 film scripts of a series ready to go  that does make political comment..

[jgharding]

Last time I heard someone from UKIP speaking they didn't manage to hide their homophobia or racism for more than a few minutes. They'd be just as "nose in the trough" greedy and backhanding as the Tories.

 

I would love it if there were a strong Communist party in the UK but they're hopelessly divided. No chance of a Socialist Republic of Great Britain ant time soon it seems. Though I feel the time is right.

 

So there are my colours on the mast.

 

Quite how we got to this subject I don't know, but I like it.

[markm]

In real life the bad guys often do win and yet that is never potrayed in films and this is why.

 

There are those who live by the rules and those who don't Criminals have a mind set that says crime as okay. So what separates them from those who believe it is wrong?

 

Values and morals is the answer.

 

So when a writer writes is s/he writing from the mind set of what are bad morals (This is rare as it would never normally get printed unless shown to be so like mein kampf) and if so should that be allowed to go mainstream? IE Should the morals and ideas of someone not conducive to society be allowed to be mainstream and should society protect itself?

 

Some examples of those who used morals wrongly.

 

Hitler wanted to use the jews in order to brainwash his own people and to mobilse the country into his mind set. Germans were not evil Just made up of ordinary people like any other country. But through intimidation for some and brain washing for others and the use of propaganda through films he changed their morality on the vast majority. Even here you can see the seedlings for this with demeaning undermining smearing intolerant sometimes with boot boy tactics by a vocal minority. These are the people rich for picking with dictator tendancies like Hitler. These are possible future Gestapo recruits

 

We can see this same morality played out in North Korea and in religions that do this too.

 

In the past some books have been banned Some people like extreme islamist preachers locked up or banned. For the good of the country

 

Personally I believe we have come a long way and through our 24 hour media we can see the the truth.

 

It's so important we maintain our moral code and ethics through writing and not allow the morals and ethics that are corrupt and twisted to get a hold.

 

If you write a hero character then he should be good If you write a bad guy character then he should be bad. Good should alwyas be rewarded and bad should always have justice imposed. Yes I know its a joke IE Why does the good guy always win some kind of victory even if he loses his life.

 

Some proclaim Tarrantino as the new master bringing new characters to an otherwise stale universe. WRONG Look to yourself maybe you have watched to many films and outgrown them Maybe its time to grow up and do something else or maybe use all that knowledge to make films for those still fresh to it.

 

Tarrantino messes with the boundaries of morals by creating characters that have us empathise with bad morals. NEW GROUND? I think not. This is ground that in the past was off limits. This is not the work of a master. This is the work of someone who doesn't care who wants to make money at any cost.

 

That is by defination all that is going wrong with the world.

[markm]

Last time I heard someone from UKIP speaking they didn't manage to hide their homophobia or racism for more than a few minutes. They'd be just as "nose in the trough" greedy and backhanding as the Tories.

 

I would love it if there were a strong Communist party in the UK but they're hopelessly divided. No chance of a Socialist Republic of Great Britain ant time soon it seems. Though I feel the time is right.

 

So there are my colours on the mast.

 

Quite how we got to this subject I don't know, but I like it.

In any walk of life you will find racists who also come from all races. Who was the guy you are talking about and was he sacked?

You should vote for who you think will benefit the country most If you believe the EU is a dicatorship in the making that will steal your country and democracy there is only one party who you know will stop them. That is UKIP.

[jgharding]

 If you believe the EU is a dictatorship in the making that will steal your country and democracy there is only one party who you know will stop them. That is UKIP.

 

I don't believe this, plus I disagree with the party's opposition to same sex marriage which, along with comments like "of the 27 EU Commissioners, at least eight are ex-Communists." proves the party's right leanings.

 

I have no intention of ever casting a vote towards the right. They create fear and division in communities in order to gain power and wealth for themselves and their close allies and paymasters. I have no doubt that if this party find power there will just as many corrupt crooks with their noses in the trough. I would no more vote for them than I would for the Bullingdon club Tories.

 

I reckon this is way off topic now, so I guess I'll leave it there!

[markm]

Same sex marriage is a distraction but in any case. There are civil ceremonies for marriage by the state.

 

 

Marriage is an invention of the church. The bible rightly or wrongly says homosexuality is wrong Although not as bad as Islam that demands death.

 

What you are really saying is you want christians to except homosexuality and rewrite the bible and muslims to rewrite the Quran. Good luck with forcing your own standards onto a religious group. Does kind of make you a bit hypocritical though? .

 

Bit of a silly move by cameron . Who for no good reason put himself in the firing line of the many religious voters out there.

 

You have no intention voting to the right? I just love the way you box people UKIP was a single issue party Much of what farage says is plain common sense. By the way I love europe and europeans I also think the idea of free trade within a framework of participating countries can work. Its the takeover of the country The removal of democracy  is something I cant accept.

 

Really if you want to believe UKIP are right wing and then go on to attribute right wing tendancies that you have seen in other political parties to that thought FINE But ask yourself Would you rather have a thatcher style leader that you can vote out in 5 years OR do you want to lose your country and democracy for good?

 

I have seen how all the 3 main parties gang up on UKIP saying they are racist and undermining them Really weird how you cant trust any of them but you can trust them when they say this about UKIP. UKIP are not racist they are not right wing They are made up more of ordinary people than any other party. They are mostly fighting a single issue. The EU. If you listen to the crap that is spoeken about the EU Like the EU as kept the peace in europe Fckuck it they damn well gave them the nobel peace prize for it. Dont you realise how hit you are by propoganda lies and cheats. Watch question time where virtually every week Politicians routinely spout lies about the EU. These same people tar UKIP with being racist right wing. Come on JG get some sense man.

 

QUOTE

I dont believe this.

 

Answer this then.

 

DEMOCRACY

If you dont like the party in power every 5 years you can vote in a new party.

 

DICTATORSHIP

One party that has no opposition parties that therefore stays in power forever.

 

Imagine that you could vote in any MP as long as its a labour MP

 

So that establishes the EU as a dictatorship.

 

1) Were you asked if the EU could have its own constitution/flag/anthem/judiciary/armed forces/police

2)Did you give permission for it to decide our laws?

3)When you get your tax bill your car licence Your council tax. from brussels and want to discuss this Will you be happy to fly out to brussels?

4) Did you know the EU arrest warrant allows them to arrest anyone in any country and take them wherever they want within the EU? They are even allowed to kill you.

5)Did you know their EU Police are stationed in the old Nazi building in the hague? Coincidence?

 

Fine JG Give up your freedom and democracy Thats the problem there are people  who dont see what is in front of them. Amazing how people wonder why its all falling apart and carry on with a skewed belief system of Nazi right wing and comunist lefties. and takes sides like there in a football team. You're not..

 

Take care of the freedom liberty and democracy we have had in the past or lose it..

[Bruno]

4) Did you know the EU arrest warrant allows them to arrest anyone in any country and take them wherever they want within the EU? They are even allowed to kill you.

Did you just make this up or are you so misinformed and brainwashed that you actually believe this? Either way, I don't think this is the right forum for your extremist ideas.

Also, Tarantino is spelled with only one R.

[jgharding]

markm: you're evidently worked up, and i appreciate your passion, though you do come across a little patronising here. I'm no fool, in fact i'm rather well read in politics and economics.
 
I don't believe single-party systems are inherently bad, nor do I believe universal voting rights in a capital-driven system to be necessarily good. The fact that a group of millionaires from the same university class were able to convince the UK to vote for them using huge amounts of money is proof enough for me that multi-party democracy isn't an automatic pass card to great freedoms and a wonderful society!
 
I also believe Marxist systems can work, and indeed are the only forward for a peaceful world. In China, the middle way is in effect. It is an interesting evolution of the dialectic in economic and social terms, and it's exciting to see things pan out. Their economy is certainly booming.
 
The idea that I'm giving up freedom and democracy by not handing political power over to a party I mistrust is absurd. I'm excercising the very right by not voting for them.
 
When they start talking about a roadmap for renationalising health, education, transport, gas, electricity, water, post, banking, and other essential services they may start to interest me. At the moment there are huge holes in their manifesto surrounding such vital issues. The so-called manifestos are wishy washy at best, simply empty sentences at their worst.
 
I agree with tight border control, but only because huge numbers of unskilled workers flowing over borders only serves to create an international underclass and helps no one but the ruling elite. A properly-run communist system not only solidifies national identity, it also ensures a consistant quality of life and removes the possibility of excessive profit, exploitation, nepotism and greed. We've yet to see one so far in the world, but we will eventually, and like to see it in the UK. I don't think UKIP share this belief, thus I wont vote for them.
 
So yes, I could be classed as an extremist too, but I believe a preoccupation with equality, co-operation and eliminating corruption to be a good extreme, quite the opposite to your fear mongering.
 
Now I do love political debate, but this really has gone a bit far don't you think, for a Tarantino thread?

 

Amazing how people wonder why its all falling apart and carry on with a skewed belief system of Nazi right wing and comunist lefties

 
Anyway, take the last word my good man, and I'll leave you with this wonderful piece of Wiki in glorious Comic Sans:
 
Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies[1][2]) is an observation made by Mike Godwin in 1990[2] that has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."[2][3] In other words, Godwin observed that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably makes a comparison to Hitler or the Nazis.

[Axel]

Right.

'The right moral' for me starts for me with the freedom of speech, the freedom of thoughts. Brad Pitt scalps nazis. He should just shoot them instead, according to you. Allright, it has some sadistic violence in it. If it was meant to be a program for kids, this was way over the top.

 

Django shoots murderous racists. You see their wounds explode with a lot of blood spreading around (very exaggerated, nobody can believe it, it's like Itchy & Scratchy). They should have died like in the old MPAA approved westerns before the 60ies. 

 

I consider myself a person who tries to live on the basis of a good moral concept, derived from Kants categorical imperative, which can be paraphrased, my freedom ends where yours begins.

 

Homosexual marriage clearly hurts no other human being, so any attempt to prohibit it to sooth the sentiments of religious fundamentalists in order to get elected is no moral at all. Neither is the shy proposal to censor popular works of art (or what else are you up to?). Common sense? 

 

Someone above wrote that no one can be blamed for the nature of mankind. I think this is true. Each one of us can only try to do better.