DeesserLord Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Hi The Sony A6000 mirrorless camera is really impressive technically, but i mostly shoot videos and i miss the Canon colors / feel. To illustrate, here's a video i've found on youtube (skip to 7:00). I think it's over saturated / sharpened / too contrasty, i personally use a less agressive look / more natural but still filmic look. But it's a good comparison. In all my tests, Sony is sharper, has more dynamic range but the colors are unappealing - the motion looks jerky - in low light the compression has "low res jpeg" like nasty artifacts - the skin tones look off, too magenta or too green. The auto white balance is terrible, often giving a very apparent magenta tint to the whole picture. All of these things make it look like "video", while the Canon, even though it's an old camera and it's technically outdated, always gave pleasant colors, even in harsh condition and however "unfaithful" they were. Still, i can't go back to the 600D, especially after using the unbelievably fast and useful continuous autofocus. The 600D is a nightmare to use in video mode, with AF too slow to be usable, i had to stick to manual. My questions : - Is Canon the only one doing Canon colors ? I understand they're technically outperformed by the competition nowadays, but for video and for a natural / ungraded / not "hollywood" LUT look ? Sony and Nikon looks cold to me video wise. More faithful, but i don't want to spend hours editing or color grading with tons of layers / keys / tracking etc, i'm just filming my daughter... Who else does these colors ? What does Canon do that's so special ? - Is the Sony A6000 poorer in video mode or white balance because it's mirrorless ? Does the small pancake lens (16-50) give a "video" feel ? Do i need to stay with a big lens for a more filmic look ? Sorry for the long post, i'm just disgusted i'm gonna have to sell this brand new camera.... but for what ? thanks iamoui 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted March 21, 2017 Administrators Share Posted March 21, 2017 Hey 2011 called, it wants its forum post back! jonpais, IronFilm, BrorSvensson and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noone Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 You want more colour choice with the A6000? Buy the colour grading app for a few bucks and you could literally spend the rest of your life trying settings and still not get anywhere near the end of the combinations for video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hijodeibn Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Unfortunately the magic of canon colors stay with canon cameras, like you, I can't afford sony skintones, my advise to you, yes, sell that Sony cam and get a second hand 5d Mark III, it is just a pleasure the image and color you get from that camera, if you really need the DPAF, get a 70D, and if you have the money, get a C100, that camera gave you 1080p from a 4K readout, it is so cinematic, you probably will love the footage, the only inconvenient it is bulky, but you will look like a pro!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Or if you need to stay in the A6000 ball park... the Panasonic GX85/80 and see what Andrew did here: http://www.eoshd.com/2016/12/now-available-eoshd-pro-color-for-panasonic-cameras-gh4-gx85-g85-and-more/ then see if that's something you might like or gives you confidence that you can work it out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inazuma Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Quick answer: Yes, only Canon does Canon colours. If you want colours somewhere as good, whilst keeping somewhere as good AF, then get the Fuji XT20. One thing to consider is that the a6000 had a firmware update which enabled XAVCS encoding at 50mbps. This mode has less aliasing and moire than the pre-firmware a6000. Personally when I had the a6300 I loved the colours compared to the Panasonics I was using before (skintones in particular were much better). But then again I've also been known to say the C100 "isnt that good". So what do I know? BrorSvensson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeesserLord Posted March 22, 2017 Author Share Posted March 22, 2017 Thanks everyone for your input. Seems like venting out made me think again about the A6000. Since the Auto White Balance is atrocious (and i really mean it), i decided to stick to manual white balance. After a bunch of tests, 5500K seems to be the ticket, and i'm rediscovering this camera. I'm now messing with the Exposure Compensation, a little boost at +1 seems to do wonders too (it might be a bit too much though). I think i'd loose to much money re-selling it, and now that i've tasted the wonders or mirrorless cameras, i'm not sure i'm ready to go back to a big dslr... I'm using XAVCS, but i still find it has some weird compression artifacts. Canon still has better colors, but Sony is a bit sharper and has more dynamic range. REALLY wish i realized sooner the auto white balance is ****ed... I've got my eyes on the Canon M6 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Isn't the 70D the perfect option here? Canon colours, DPAF, cheap (even has ML i think?) mercer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeesserLord Posted March 22, 2017 Author Share Posted March 22, 2017 yes i didn't know about the 70D, it sure is a good dslr with dual pixel for the price 2nd hand. But i was interested in mirrorless cause it's smaller and lighter. the Fuji X-t20 looks nice and sharper, i've never heard about it before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, DeesserLord said: yes i didn't know about the 70D, it sure is a good dslr with dual pixel for the price 2nd hand. But i was interested in mirrorless cause it's smaller and lighter. the Fuji X-t20 looks nice and sharper, i've never heard about it before. What will you be shooting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeesserLord Posted March 22, 2017 Author Share Posted March 22, 2017 i'm shooting family movies. I want a natural look, i'm not looking for "retro" or "hollywood", i'm looking for natural colors but with a slight film / movie feel. I try to make honest short 5 minutes movies each months, no music, no corny editing, no zoom or much camera moves, just reality, with ups and downs. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dahlfors Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 2 hours ago, DeesserLord said: i'm shooting family movies. I want a natural look, i'm not looking for "retro" or "hollywood", i'm looking for natural colors but with a slight film / movie feel. I try to make honest short 5 minutes movies each months, no music, no corny editing, no zoom or much camera moves, just reality, with ups and downs. thanks Personally I'd advise you to get a Nikon for natural colors. More natural than Canon in fact, they exaggerate the warmth a slight bit. Other than that, for something like family movies I'd probably go with the GX80/85 with stabilisation. Gives life to the shots if you shoot family handheld, and the stabilisation really helps. IronFilm and mercer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xectis Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Old thread but...nothing like the 'old' dark horse of the camera world: NX1. Nothing else looks like it, feels like it or lasts like it. Geoff CB, PannySVHS and heart0less 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PannySVHS Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 1 hour ago, xectis said: Old thread but...nothing like the 'old' dark horse of the camera world: NX1. Nothing else looks like it, feels like it or lasts like it. Nothing like an old thread. Nothing reads like it, lasts like and has been itching its latest posters like it.:) heart0less 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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