Asmundma Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Have a look : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthere Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 The key seems to be to test and learn the camera settings.. Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Pierre Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 13 minutes ago, matthere said: The key seems to be to test and learn the camera settings.. Or if one's too lazy for that, you can just live with the look in the A6500 that makes the guy look like he has Jaundice... matthere, ade towell, iamoui and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 2 hours ago, matthere said: The key seems to be to test and learn the camera settings.. Using an external recorder and being a paid Panasonic Lumix Luminary is also key Only kidding. As long as folk spend a good few days training up muscle memory, then finding the right combination of autofocus settings for the job in hand will be no different to taking the lens cap off an a6500 and hitting record. Sort of. jonpais and tomsemiterrific 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hijodeibn Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 So we have to choose between bad autofocus and dead skintones?….I can live with bad autofocus…..dead people only for zombie movies…. GH5 far better! tomsemiterrific 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotgg Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 I just did interview that was over 3hr long wonder how the a6500 auto focus would have fared by the end tomsemiterrific 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 13 minutes ago, hijodeibn said: So we have to choose between bad autofocus and dead skintones?….I can live with bad autofocus…..dead people only for zombie movies…. GH5 far better! From 7:59 onward, good skin tones, no hunting AF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 23 minutes ago, hijodeibn said: So we have to choose between bad autofocus and dead skintones?….I can live with bad autofocus…..dead people only for zombie movies…. GH5 far better! The GH5 has far better straight out of the box colour than any prosumer Sony, though decent skin tones can be achieved using tweaked profiles and correct WB. No idea what Max was thinking when setting up the a6500, because it potentially undermines whatever he was doing in setting the various Panny focus parameters. People will say "He's had that Sony for many months and still can't set it up correctly, so why should we trust his findings with a week old GH5?" 31 minutes ago, rotgg said: I just did interview that was over 3hr long wonder how the a6500 auto focus would have fared by the end I would be more concerned that you escaped the ensuing house fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 And so it escalates. Asmundma 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxotis70 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 gh5 has a CDAF system... it will always be inferior from any PDAF system. Thats the only truth ! Asmundma 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, toxotis70 said: gh5 has a CDAF system... it will always be inferior from any PDAF system. Thats the only truth ! I thought CDAF on the Fuji X-T20 was supposed to be excellent though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxotis70 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 its good...not excellent! Canon's is excellent, sony too (almost) its the nature of CDAF... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmundma Posted April 7, 2017 Author Share Posted April 7, 2017 Let's see who has to eat his words in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 If you act quickly, B&H is offering this free tool to every purchaserof a GH5 that will ensure perfectly sharp pictures every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axel Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 6 hours ago, hijodeibn said: So we have to choose between bad autofocus and dead skintones?….I can live with bad autofocus…..dead people only for zombie movies…. GH5 far better! Just as it's possible to exorcise bad colors and RS wobble from a Sony (given you are paying attention to it and are willing to invest some time for research and testing), it's obviously possible to use the GH5 on a gimbal with CAF (given you did some exhaustive testing). I call this mastering the shortcomings. A much more dangerous attitude is to rely on your camera's strengths. Remember the days when, in order to shoot with a steadicam, you only had wide lenses and small apertures ... I find one aspect very underrated: the influence of the autofocus breathing the lens produces. You can test this by focussing manually, thereby you can better distinguish hunting from breathing. I promise you: the differences between lenses are dramatic. Avoid hunting (no big issue with the A6500): use a more moderate aperture. Never track focus if the motif is not completely within range, test different focus speeds. Avoid breathing: don't force the AF to perform extreme focus transitions. And use an "apneatic" lens ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Indeed. Something to know is that external recording provides faster and more accurate AF too :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmundma Posted April 7, 2017 Author Share Posted April 7, 2017 Its now quite clear. The PhotoJoseph due had to back off - he admits in the comments of his video. Had expected GOD (the English guy you know) to comment, but he seems still to be testing. (please do not take it unfriendly) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Ross Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 And so I feel compelled to show the shots I've taken with my GH5, 2 or 3 of which tried to mirror Max's shots. The first video duplicates Max's video performing the same 'lens in front of the lens' clip. His failed each time. The 2nd mirrors his outdoors shots that also failed. The indoor video, again using CAF, was taken in quite dark conditions as we were having heavy rain and I left all the lights off. The 4th video, candid mall shots, was done just because my A6300 failed at times in the same mall and the same area. I wanted to see a) could the GH5 focus on the subject and not the background and b) could it retain focus and not drift to the background as my A6300 has. I'm showing this only because a) some may not have seen these shots and b) it's the right place for it to show that a GH5 can focus correctly in AVC mode. All I did was use the central area focusing with no changes to speed or responsiveness. It would appear this worked far better than anything Max used. I really don't know what else to say or do to show folks that Max's test may not be indicative of the GH5's AF performance. It's simply one data point. There are many many GH5 videos out there that show none of the issues Max was having. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil A Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 @Ken Ross Out of curiosity, is all you film 60p? AF looks ok, I wonder if you checked if it behaves the same in 24p/23.976p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleison Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 I looked at those videos. yeah, the GH5 focusing sucks. Don't look at the subject, but look at the surrounding area. You can see the camera going back and forth even in static shots trying to anticipate movement. In the shallow depth of field videos, the back and forth caused the blurred background to "bloom" and de-"bloom". The a7sii does the same thing and it annoys the hell out of me. The a6500 doesn't and that is one of the reason I still have it (even though it has horrible rolling shutter). a6500 is a focusing god compared to the a7sii and apparently to the gh5 also. Oh, well, I guess Panasonic wouldn't be selling as many gh5s as they thought they would. The company was focusing on image quality while a lot of people have "moved on" from image quality and are looking for things like good auto focusing. Photojoseph guy.. dude, what a shill. His videos show the lens focusing back and forth. Yeah, the subject (him) is in focus, but the camera is still focusing back and forth trying to anticipate movement. Good focusing cameras don't do that. Perhaps, I'm wrong. Maybe, he's not a shill, but just ignorant. Or maybe he doesn't care that the camera was "hunting" because the subject was in focus. However, no real video professional would accept that type of focusing. I cannot think of any movie that has that type of focusing without doing it on purpose. And I'm having a hard time remembering any movie, tv show that would do that on purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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