Lucian Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Looking for opinions on the best affordable camera for narrative filmmaking (not doccumentary) with a anamoprhic lens. currently I have a Kowa 8z B&H and a T2i. I would like to get an older/70's cinematic look. Current plan is to use older glass like Helios. Current front runners are: GH2 60D 5D markII Any suggestions appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommykristensen Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 I would go for one of the flare factorys and try to nail the look that way, some of the EOSHD stills looked totally 70´s - regarding the cams - I don't think there is a "best". It's more a question about what youre comfortable with. The GH2 is the sharpest of the three, the 5D is fullframe. The three have quite different looks and and characteristics - so I guess you should choose what you think look best? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucian Posted April 8, 2013 Author Share Posted April 8, 2013 Thanks, yes I am on the waiting list for a flare factory lens :) only issue is they only make a 58mm, so shooting a whole short on one lens would not be ideal. You make a good point regarding camera bodies, full frame is a concern as I from what i have seen a lot of anamorphics play better with cropped sensors for the most part. As for the "look" of the GH2 vs Canon its hard for me to discern even after looking at a ton of footage, I do quite like the look of canon once cinestyle is enabled, but everyone raves about the GH2 and it's sharpness. I will keep researching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy lee Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 GH2 IS KING ! get one! mine has a Nick Driftwood Hack 170mb/s much sharper and more detail than the Canon 5D no contest ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Punk Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 GH2 may have had it's crown knocked off today :) http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicpocketcinemacamera/techspecs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommykristensen Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Yeah, that black magic mini looks awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy lee Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 looks good.. crop factor is x3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommykristensen Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Isn't it 2.4x like the normal one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy lee Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 super 16mm is a x3 crop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommykristensen Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 I thought it had the same sensor as the "old" BMC - the S16 bums me out :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBarlow Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 its time to start scooping up Cmount lenses, before the goldrush GH2 may have had it's crown knocked off today :) http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicpocketcinemacamera/techspecs Hans Punk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgharding Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 None of them are really that much of an "upgrade" so to speak, they're just different. The 60D just ain't as good IMO, the 5D MKii is pretty similar yet a different beast to handle (the screen is much worse for example) and full frame, and the GH2 is a very different look again. It's much more detailed and sharper, but also carries a more video feel (also IMO) so it depends what final look you want. I was looking at this list for 6 months or so. I love the old Ken Loach 16mm British 70s look if you get me. In the end I just kept the 550 and added a Mosaic Engineering filter. It's not cheap but did the trick removing the aliasing (which gives away the digital feel), with the Magic Lantern hack (zero sharpness and 2.8x bitrate) and some of Grain 35s 16mm overlays in post and there you have it, 16mm look. 16mm is pretty soft and grainy, that's why it's so nice ;) The new Blackmagic Pcoket Camera would be upgrade in image quality though, though you'd have to think about lenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lucian Posted April 9, 2013 Author Share Posted April 9, 2013 Thanks for the detailed reply. Mosiac filter looks amazing, suprised I haven't heard of it, do you think it woudl interefere when shooting anamorphic? I'd love to see some footage of what you have acheived with your rig. I'm ruling the GH2 out as it does indeed look a bit video, esp with moving objects. But I thought some of the more $$ canon bodies have a higher dynamic range and or better sensor? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy lee Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Dont dismiss the GH2 is kills so many other cameras out there we have compared it in the edit suite against RED, ARRI C300 , 5D11 ETC hacked gh2 is comparable to the hi end red and alexa in terms of detail plus holds a huge amout of data for grading much more than any canon does - there is alot of lattitude like Red and Alexa I recently did a job with GH2 and 5D11 and the gh2 blew the 5d away .. no contest you would be very supprised to see them in the edit suite side by side on the monitor the difference is shocking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucian Posted April 9, 2013 Author Share Posted April 9, 2013 Andy. Good points, I have seen the impressive image sharpness of the GH2. But I also have to also agree it can look a bit videoish from the stuff I have watched. I am open to correction though :) but I am pushing for an older cinematic look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy lee Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 you are watching on vimeo or youtube at compressed with artifacts 7mb/s max!! dont ever go off these sites as referance The gh2 is not video looking at all you have been missinformed! Mine is kicking out 170mb/s !! the image is simply stunning 24 progressive frames a second (all I frame as its Driftwood Hack) video is about 12mb/s max ! this is nothing like interlaced video The Nostaligic profile setting for me is the best - that is very cinematic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim McC Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 I have the 60D, I just ordered a GH2 and a friend has a 5Dii. I will have to do a comparison video with the helios + iscorama and post it here as soon I can. I'm just as curious as to which camera produces the best image as you are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucian Posted April 9, 2013 Author Share Posted April 9, 2013 I see, I might try a GH2 out in person. Some people have mentioned limitations lens wise and with assecories such stabilizers, is that true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Genheimer Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 GH2 is the best non-RAW camera out there for the price if you're after a narrative film look. The hacked footage it gives is incredible, and I'm never selling mine, ever. andy lee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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