Super Members Popular Post BTM_Pix Posted May 25, 2017 Super Members Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2017 So, as some of you may know, I've been "experimenting" with having little chats with different Panasonic cameras over WiFi and after whispering in the GX80s ear last night, I may have come up with something quite interesting. The first image is a grab from a GX80 using its Standard profile. The second image is a grab from a GX80 that is definitely not using the Standard profile....... studiodc, Timotheus, Cinegain and 14 others 16 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PannySVHS Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Cine D for GX85? How did you do it? Out of likes for today. Maybe you should give it another thread title...AWESOME: CINE D HACK for GX85! Finally Cine D for your GX85 BTM_Pix 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted May 25, 2017 Author Super Members Share Posted May 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, PannySVHS said: Cine D for GX85? How did you do it? Out of likes for today. Maybe you should give it another thread title...AWESOME: CINE D HACK for GX85! Finally Cine D for your GX85 I'm just working on something to make it a bit more readily deployable in the field and then I'll post it up. PannySVHS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inazuma Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Interesting... I can see a big difference particularly in the red and orange areas, which is the GX80's weakpoint. More latitude in the highlights as well. What have you done? This is potentially huge for me. kidzrevil and BTM_Pix 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted May 25, 2017 Author Super Members Share Posted May 25, 2017 Just to illustrate this, erm, 'non standard' profile for the GX80/85 here is a comparison collage. The top picture is a G7 using Cinelike D and the bottom one is a GX80 using this non standard profile. Strange eh? jonpais 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted May 25, 2017 Author Super Members Share Posted May 25, 2017 24 minutes ago, Inazuma said: Interesting... I can see a big difference particularly in the red and orange areas, which is the GX80's weakpoint. More latitude in the highlights as well. What have you done? This is potentially huge for me. As per the image above, it is very close to Cinelike D. By which I mean, it actually is Cinelike D Thpriest, kidzrevil, mercer and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 So, this is really cool. When you turn it on, does it stay on, or do you have to "flip the switch" every time you turn the camera on? Also can you try, over wi-fi, for a mic input to appear... BTM_Pix, Thpriest, jonpais and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted May 25, 2017 Author Super Members Share Posted May 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, mercer said: So, this is really cool. When you turn it on, does it stay on, or do you have to "flip the switch" every time you turn the camera on? Also can you try, over wi-fi, for a mic input to appear... I'm exploring some permanence using the custom C options to give you a switchable configuration. By 'exploring' I mean double checking as I already have it working. I'm just working on this prototype version of making a mic input appear via wifi Inazuma and studiodc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 18 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said: I'm exploring some permanence using the custom C options to give you a switchable configuration. By 'exploring' I mean double checking as I already have it working. I'm just working on this prototype version of making a mic input appear via wifi Haha, nice one. Is it difficult to switch it on, via wi-fi, if you cannot make it permanent? I did a test last fall with the GX85, L. Monochrome and a Rokinon 12mm lens. And the combo was great handheld. It almost kept me from selling the camera, but a $700 camera + a $300 lens was a bit much to justify a B&W only camera... I don't really like any other Panasonic color profile, other than CineLikeD... so if this is possible and permanent, or easily switched on when needed, I may have found my simple 4K camera. jonpais 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Do you have an LX100? I wonder if it's possible to get CineLikeD on that one. Also, I believe it shared a sensor with the GH4, so maybe the high bitrate, all-i 1080 is switchable via wi-fi as well. Now that would be cool. BTM_Pix and kidzrevil 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted May 25, 2017 Author Super Members Share Posted May 25, 2017 30 minutes ago, mercer said: Haha, nice one. Is it difficult to switch it on, via wi-fi, if you cannot make it permanent? I did a test last fall with the GX85, L. Monochrome and a Rokinon 12mm lens. And the combo was great handheld. It almost kept me from selling the camera, but a $700 camera + a $300 lens was a bit much to justify a B&W only camera... I don't really like any other Panasonic color profile, other than CineLikeD... so if this is possible and permanent, or easily switched on when needed, I may have found my simple 4K camera. No, its easy and it does persist on switch off. But that can be an issue as once you've enabled it you then needed to then use the wifi to go back to the other profiles. And when I say 'you then needed to' I mean in the past tense as I've worked out a way to make it permanently switchable in camera using the C functions so you dedicate one of them to being Cinelike D and you must have one of the others set to Standard or another one of the profiles so you can switch back to them otherwise you'd have to use the wifi. I'm working on something that will be quite the useful little standalone gadget for these Panasonic cameras but for now it can be done using a laptop or phone. 1 minute ago, mercer said: Do you have an LX100? I wonder if it's possible to get CineLikeD on that one. Also, I believe it shared a sensor with the GH4, so maybe the high bitrate, all-i 1080 is switchable via wi-fi as well. Now that would be cool. I do have an LX100. It currently does 'something' and I just need to work out why that 'something' isn't currently the 'something' we want it to do. Chris Sully Cortez and Thpriest 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thpriest Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 All very interesting. Keep up the good work! BTM_Pix 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted May 25, 2017 Author Super Members Share Posted May 25, 2017 Well it was never going to be a low light monster but I can let you have ISO50000 now if you want it as well Top ISO6400 (max for video) Middle ISO25600 (standard max for stills) Bottom ISO50000 (modified max for stills) It still reports it as 25600 in the exif funnily enough. And it doesn't display it onscreen either, just like it doesn't with the Cinelike D So there seems to be a mismatch between the values it writes in the metadata and displays on screen with what it can actually be made to do. This is very potentially very interesting regarding a bitrate I thought I'd persuaded it to do earlier...... Georgios, Chris Sully Cortez and kidzrevil 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 19 hours ago, BTM_Pix said: So, as some of you may know, I've been "experimenting" with having little chats with different Panasonic cameras over WiFi and after whispering in the GX80s ear last night, I may have come up with something quite interesting. The first image is a grab from a GX80 using its Standard profile. The second image is a grab from a GX80 that is definitely not using the Standard profile....... There's still so much misinformation being spread about Cinelike D that I doubt it will really catch on except among a very few GX85 users. But it's immediately apparent that it has substantially greater tonality than either Natural or Standard, and I prefer the color renditon to Standard for sure. The extra detail in the highlights in the foreground is impressive, but even more so, for me, is how the greater tonality gives the out of focus areas in the background a much more pleasing appearance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted May 25, 2017 Author Super Members Share Posted May 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, jonpais said: There's still so much misinformation being spread about Cinelike D that I doubt it will really catch on except among a very few GX85 users. But it's immediately apparent that it has substantially greater tonality than either Natural or Standard, and I prefer the color renditon to Standard for sure. I think one advantage of it for many people is that there are a large number of LUTs available that use Cinelike D as a base point so it might appeal on that level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inazuma Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 My guess is that you are modifying the Android app file to recognize the camera as the G7 or G80, thus giving it the CineD profile? Then within the app, you are able to save the profile on to one of the custom settings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted May 25, 2017 Author Super Members Share Posted May 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, Inazuma said: My guess is that you are modifying the Android app file to recognize the camera as the G7 or G80, thus giving it the CineD profile? Then within the app, you are able to save the profile on to one of the custom settings? Kind of but its actually a lot more basic than that to be honest mate and doesn't require any modification of the app. I've got a really simple way of testing it if anyone wants to have a go themselves? Georgios, Orangenz, 7 Lakes and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanveer Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 23 minutes ago, jonpais said: There's still so much misinformation being spread about Cinelike D that I doubt it will really catch on except among a very few GX85 users. But it's immediately apparent that it has substantially greater tonality than either Natural or Standard, and I prefer the color renditon to Standard for sure. The extra detail in the highlights in the foreground is impressive, but even more so, for me, is how the greater tonality gives the out of focus areas in the background a much more pleasing appearance. Cinelike D on the GX80/85 and the G80/85 should not be compared with that on the G7, GH4 and others. Those cameras still have the older colours of Panasonic, and therefore it would befit GX80/85 users a LOT more. IMHO the mic-in and Cinelike Profiles were the Only shortcomings of the GX80/85. One of those being addressed is not bad. jonpais 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inazuma Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Would you be so kind as to do some comparison shots with the standard profile and new profile on skin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Popular Post BTM_Pix Posted May 25, 2017 Author Super Members Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2017 OK So for anyone wanting to try this, I have made a really simple method to do it. I have tested this numerous times on my GX80 and it has lived to tell the tale but obviously do this at your own risk. All that this process does is fool the camera into thinking its talking to the smartphone app and then the commands it sends are exactly what the smartphone app sends. Or would do if the smartphone app thought it was talking to a camera equipped with Cinelike D ! So as such it is only getting sent what the Panasonic app would be sending to it so there are no hacky or sneaky debug things getting sent to it. Again, though, proceed at your own risk. Although I would say, if you’ve tried that region switching hack on YouTube with the 10 million key press combos during power up then you’re already brave enough to try this! Bear in mind that my unit is a GX80 and the firmware is version 1.0 If you have a GX85 or have got a different firmware then I just don’t know because obviously I haven’t got any other devices to test it on. Here we go then…. Follow these instructions exactly and you should have Cinelike D on your GX80/85 You will need a laptop or a phone with a browser, the camera and to download the simple html file attached. 1) Switch on camera and turn on wifi as though you were connecting the app and you should see the waiting screen on the camera 2) Load the Deploy Cinelike D.html file into your browser 3) Select ‘Handshake’ 4) You should see the browser page change and it confirm that its connected to a GX80 5) Hit the back key on the browser 6) Select ‘Connect’ 7) You should see the browser page change to say ‘ok’ and the camera give you an ‘Under Remote Control’ message 8) Wait until the camera screen shows you a live view 9) Hit the back key on the browser 10) Select ‘Deploy’ 11) You should see the browser page change to say ‘ok’ and the camera should NOT now be displaying the Photo Style you had selected (i.e. Standard, Vivid etc) 12) Cinelike D is now active on the camera 13) If you go into the menu on the camera and select Photo Style you will see that it is blank and you can’t navigate to other Photo Styles such as Standard etc. 14) To restore the Photo Styles hit the back button on the browser and select ‘Restore’ and the camera will display the Standard photo style and you should then be able to go into Photo Styles and change them. 15) Repeat 9-14 to switch between them to your hearts content! So, like other settings, the Cinelike D profile will persist when you switch the camera off so if you want to use the other Photo Styles again then you MUST go this process again to re-enable them. However, if you would like to switch between them without using this method again (and who wouldn’t) here is a neat way round it. When you’ve done Step 12 and got Cinelike D on, set all your other parameters (4K24p etc) as you’d like them and save these into C1 of the custom settings. Then go to Step 14 and use the ‘Restore’ to get your standard Photo Styles back, set all your other parameters (4K24p etc) as you’d like them and then save these into C2 of the custom settings. Now when you switch the camera on, you simply choose C1 to have Cinelike D or C2 for the standard Photo Styles and forget about using any nonsense about using browsers and wifi connections! In couple of weeks I’m hoping to show you how you can do stuff like this and some other useful bits and pieces from a little hardware gadget that will work on the Panasonic cameras but have fun with this in the meantime. DEPLOY CINELIKE D.html Georgios, John Matthews, hyalinejim and 23 others 23 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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