AaronChicago Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 17 hours ago, IronFilm said: Anything new would depreciate somewhat over two years. You want to find yourself a really good deal, or buy secondhand. I'd be fascinated to hear more about this Arri Alexa Classic for $12K, as I've been posting quite often pointing out they exist!! Could you convince him to come on over to here and start a new thread about his purchase? That would be AMAZING! I wiill ask him for sure. A new Alexa would depreciate but its far cheaper than renting. Also after 2 yrs there would still be a competitive market for used 2017 Alexas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvertonesx24 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 15 hours ago, Neumann Films said: You need that either way though...makes no difference how you pay for your gear. Also, there are cheap options out there for insurance that cover gear like that. Right but what I'm saying is that there's a cost in ownership and that it isn't necessarily the best idea for anyone to go get a 0% interest CC and max it out with camera gear planning to sell it just before the term expires. Even with insurance you can still be screwed over. Used $30k Maseratis also look nice but can you afford to maintain a $120k car? If not, then it's not a smart idea to buy one. EthanAlexander 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neumann Films Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 1 hour ago, silvertonesx24 said: Right but what I'm saying is that there's a cost in ownership and that it isn't necessarily the best idea for anyone to go get a 0% interest CC and max it out with camera gear planning to sell it just before the term expires. Even with insurance you can still be screwed over. Used $30k Maseratis also look nice but can you afford to maintain a $120k car? If not, then it's not a smart idea to buy one. Well there's always risk involved...but like I said, we have done this for years and the worst thing to happen is we lose a couple grand in value. It makes much more sense from a numbers standpoint if you're an owner/op. Renting only ever makes sense if your client is paying for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 7 minutes ago, Neumann Films said: Well there's always risk involved...but like I said, we have done this for years and the worst thing to happen is we lose a couple grand in value. It makes much more sense from a numbers standpoint if you're an owner/op. Renting only ever makes sense if your client is paying for it. I think the more interesting question is... did you get an Alexa Mini? IronFilm and Neumann Films 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzynormal Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 2 hours ago, Neumann Films said: Renting only ever makes sense if your client is paying for it. Truer words were never spoken. TheRenaissanceMan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neumann Films Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 1 hour ago, mercer said: I think the more interesting question is... did you get an Alexa Mini? No, RED Epic W. We got a Battle Tested Scarlet Dragon for $11,500 direct from RED. Then they gave us $15,000 in credit towards the Epic W upgrade about 2 months later The 8K has opened up some financial doors, so we have been pretty happy with that move. Trying to sell it now though...then start the cycle over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Daniel Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 2 hours ago, Neumann Films said: No, RED Epic W. We got a Battle Tested Scarlet Dragon for $11,500 direct from RED. Then they gave us $15,000 in credit towards the Epic W upgrade about 2 months later The 8K has opened up some financial doors, so we have been pretty happy with that move. Trying to sell it now though...then start the cycle over again. Why are you selling the Epic-W? Is the GH5 experience that significant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 4 hours ago, Neumann Films said: No, RED Epic W. We got a Battle Tested Scarlet Dragon for $11,500 direct from RED. Then they gave us $15,000 in credit towards the Epic W upgrade about 2 months later The 8K has opened up some financial doors, so we have been pretty happy with that move. Trying to sell it now though...then start the cycle over again. Pretty smart if you can make it work. I assume you can just finance another Epic and then constantly use newer equipment without using a major upfront investment. I imagine if you shoot with the Epic, the GH5 sees little use these days? What's the upgrade path after an Epic... could you be sustainable and profitable with an Alexa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neumann Films Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 7 hours ago, Oliver Daniel said: Why are you selling the Epic-W? Is the GH5 experience that significant? Because the sky high APR kicks in October 1st Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 8 hours ago, Neumann Films said: Because the sky high APR kicks in October 1st Having a hard date to sell items happen over and over would be too scary for me..... and it might force you to sell it for less than you'd like to sell it for! As you can't hold and wait for a better offer to come along :-/ Neumann Films and EthanAlexander 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neumann Films Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 1 hour ago, IronFilm said: Having a hard date to sell items happen over and over would be too scary for me..... and it might force you to sell it for less than you'd like to sell it for! As you can't hold and wait for a better offer to come along :-/ I get it up for sale earlier and give myself at least 5 months. 15 hours ago, mercer said: Pretty smart if you can make it work. I assume you can just finance another Epic and then constantly use newer equipment without using a major upfront investment. I imagine if you shoot with the Epic, the GH5 sees little use these days? What's the upgrade path after an Epic... could you be sustainable and profitable with an Alexa? Yup, find another no interest card, close the current one and do it again. I actually use the GH5 as much as I can. It's more than enough for my own personal tastes and I always prefer the smaller form factor. The trick for doing this with an Alexa would be finding somewhere that takes credit card for a used camera. If you could, the same system should work (maybe even better with an Alexa since they hold value more/longer than RED) Lenses are the most sure fire bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I have a dayjob, and filmmaking is my second job when I am not doing my dayjob. So taking on a second job, might help you get you more money for more gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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