tony wilson Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Is the iscorama really that much better than the bolex moller? Apart from lacking the ability to rack focus in a simple way, the bolex footage I've seen looks at least on a par... Or perhaps I'm just trying to make myself feel better when that Iscorama once again gets out of my budget range and goes for some sort of insane over inflated figure... over inflated is that inflated as in bubble. this is not some south sea bubble not some tulip o mania no big bang. show me a pro anamorphic as good as an iscorama or better tell me the price. iscorama is cheap optically under priced it is not about the price but the precious value. how many folks have shelled out silly money for china junk optics with 0.95 f stop. poor copies of leica noct china has little value now or in 30 years. the stuff may work but has little soul that is the modern way we live in satanic times a new dark age. iscorama is from a time a great expansive period 1900-1950s the period when great optical men tried to best each other in design. out do and out wit in light ray trace. sub standard is the norm today . input tapped into computer cheap aspherical optic added a new lens for the hd world. clowns knocking out variations on a theme or just blatant copies average at best. iscorama inflated no way. a good price for those who can make it work. the bolex moller 1.5x is treasure for me has a better look than the iscorama another optical marvel under priced. we all want a bargain all could do with a free lunch forever. all would like a mercedes for the price of a shit ford. we want the best for next to nothing now godamit and how dare we not be given it. what is the problem. we know the cost but not the value. the same chap shot this which i like https://vimeo.com/37044086 EeeCeeGee, Tito Ferradans, Hans Punk and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Iscorama 2002 for 3000GBP. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Isco-f-Rollei-SL35-1-2-50mm-Iscorama-2002-/370804171530?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item5655a6a30a I don't know this one. The taking lens is fixed? According to wikipedia: Sealed anamorphic monobloc constructed using the cheapest of all Rollei 35mm SLR lenses,[7] the Mamiya-built Rolleinar 50mm f/2. The camera mount interface was Rollei's QBM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted May 10, 2013 Administrators Share Posted May 10, 2013 Can anyone confirm what this is? is it a newer MC iscorama 36 with the prime attached? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Isco-f-Rollei-SL35-1-2-50mm-Iscorama-2002-/370804171530?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item5655a6a30a Thanks It's a different design to the Iscorama 36. You cannot remove the anamorphic from the Rollei 50mm either. Optically a bit of a downgrade from the 36 but still nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Kowa for B&H 2x in Australia: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kowa-2x-Anamorphic-Lens-Bell-Howell-/271202967796?pt=AU_Lenses&hash=item3f24f4e0f4 Kowa 2x 16-D in the UK: http://www.ebay.nl/itm/kowa-2x-anamorphic-for-bell-howell-lens-/221224316510?pt=UK_Photography_VintageCameras_SM&hash=item3381ff2e5e A B&H anamorphic I've never seen before, looks kinda interesting but in bad condition: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bell-Howell-Anamorphic-Lens-NR-/151042483372?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item232ad564ac Anyone knows this lens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tito Ferradans Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 the stuff may work but has little soul that is the modern way we live in satanic times a new dark age. Amazing, Tony! hahaha Anyone knows this lens? I've seen plenty of them going on ebay during the last six months. Never for high prices. As I never heard of it around here, assumed it wasn't interesting. It looks a bit... long, don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 It has a integrated lens I suppose. 6mm 2-inch f/1.4 it says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frerichs Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 I was curious about the B&H projection lens (as pictured above) so I bought one for $100. I had to sand down the silver adapter a bit such that it would fit in a VidAtlantic clamp which works well (still too wide for my Redstan clamps) and used a 80mm taking lens (Zeiss Pentacon six 80mm f/2.8). You set the taking lens to infinity and pull focus from the projection lens. It's a long pull, similar to what you would experience using a projector) but works well. The one I have can focus as close as 5 feet to infinity. Works well with Tokina and Schneider close-up/dipoters too. Here's a quick test using an AF100 without any close-up lenses. Nothing special and I did skew the lens a bit in the end because I wasn't paying attention (just testing.) https://vimeo.com/64689744 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickHitRecord Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 I was curious about the B&H projection lens (as pictured above) so I bought one for $100. I had to sand down the silver adapter a bit such that it would fit in a VidAtlantic clamp which works well (still too wide for my Redstan clamps) and used a 80mm taking lens (Zeiss Pentacon six 80mm f/2.8). You set the taking lens to infinity and pull focus from the projection lens. It's a long pull, similar to what you would experience using a projector) but works well. The one I have can focus as close as 5 feet to infinity. Works well with Tokina and Schneider close-up/dipoters too. Here's a quick test using an AF100 without any close-up lenses. Nothing special and I did skew the lens a bit in the end because I wasn't paying attention (just testing.) https://vimeo.com/64689744 Thanks for sharing. Can you post a picture of your setup? I'm just curious if you are able to detach the anamorphic front lens from the spherical rear lens before placing it in front of your Zeiss Pentacon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Looks great! Can u use it with 50mm on the AF100? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frerichs Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 No problem. The B&H is a single unit and there are two tiny screws on the side (where the name is etched) that you could probably undo and detach the front from the rear, but I haven't tried that yet. It's an experimental lens, so I'll give that a shot and let you know the results. For the test I attached the clamp to the B&H, then attached the B&H to the Zeiss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickHitRecord Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Thanks. Based on what you are saying, it sounds like you may have a rack-focusable 2x anamorphic that costs around 1/40 of what an Iscorama goes for these days... This sounds too good to be true. What's the catch? Tito Ferradans 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frerichs Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 I've also tested the B&H with a Canon FD 50mm f/1/4 and Helios 55mm f/2.0, both vignette, so the optimal taking lens is 80mm. It's a slight vignette and you could crop the ends, as it's 2x. I picked up the Zeiss Biometer 80mm f/2.8 for $100 (zebra single coat) and the m43 mount ran $40 on Amazon. Works well and really flares nicely with all of my anamorphic lenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frerichs Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 It works similar to my baby ISCO 1.5x--you set the taking lens to infinity and pull focus from the B&H. The only drawback is that it can take multiple complete rotations to pull focus. Depends on what you are shooting depth wise. It's slightly softer than my Singer 16D, but comparable to my ISCO in look and feel, and sharp edge-to-edge. Flares nicely, and for $100, and the fact that pulling focus only requires one lens (other than the requirement to do multiple turns to dial in focus), it's actually a nice option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frerichs Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Looking more closely at the construction of the B&H projection lens, the back element is not flat and slightly curved at the ends. It appears as if the unit should not be disassembled, as the back element is probably needed in concert with the head to achieve the anamorphic result? The entire unit measures 4.34 inches long, solid, and somewhat narrow. The markings show 2.5, 12.5, 35, 50, 120 and infinity. I can pull focus about 5 feet away without any issues. Using a .4 close-up lens, maybe 3 feet and stacking a +1 I can get pretty close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lomo-Anamorphic-50mm-f-2-0-T2-5-Lens-OCT-19-mnt-EXC-RED-SONY-BLACK-MAGIC-/281105011295?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item41732a125f Lomo Anamorphic 50mm f/2.0 T2.5 Lens OCT-19 'mint' $3K buy it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy lee Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Carl Zeiss Anamorphic with Tecnoir 15mm rail lens holder - stunningly sharp superb Zeiss lens with Schott Glass http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230978889060?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1586.l2649 Sankor Anamorphic with Tecnoir 15mm rail lens holder - very sharp modern new lens http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230978862836?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1586.l2649 Sankor Anamorphic with Tecnoir 15mm rail lens holder - very sharp modern new lens http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230978860981?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1586.l2649 Schneider Anamorphic with Tecnoir 15mm rail lens holder - In my view the sharpest modern new lens out there on the market - this is the best! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230978863325?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1586.l2649 Schneider Anamorphic with Tecnoir 15mm rail lens holder - In my view the sharpest modern new lens out there on the market - this is the best! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230978882423?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1586.l2649 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 How many anamorphics do you have Andy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy lee Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 too many ! Tito Ferradans 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulio Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Anyone care to weigh in on the isco on ebay? its cash/bank transfer only, no returns and there is barely any info the listing.I asked a few questions, apparently the focus ring turns smoothly but a little hard, when asked about fungus he said he didn't know how to check but can't see any. Sounds a bit risky... http://www.ebay.de/itm/Iscorama-Isco-Gottingen-analoges-Kameraobjektiv-/290909935093?pt=DE_Foto_Camcorder_Objektive&hash=item43bb9555f5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony wilson Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Anyone care to weigh in on the isco on ebay? its cash/bank transfer only, no returns and there is barely any info the listing.I asked a few questions, apparently the focus ring turns smoothly but a little hard, when asked about fungus he said he didn't know how to check but can't see any. Sounds a bit risky... http://www.ebay.de/itm/Iscorama-Isco-Gottingen-analoges-Kameraobjektiv-/290909935093?pt=DE_Foto_Camcorder_Objektive&hash=item43bb9555f5 whatdayawanna no is the dealer a wanker yes. does he give a shit no will he sell it yes is it worth it in this case no why is he a wanker well like all dealers he cannot be arsed to test. he cannot be bothered to get a camera guy to check it why well he has seen that most stuff sells it does not matter if it is good or bad. it will sell. even people on here have admitted to buying broken iscorama and a year later are looking for advice. nothing really outrageous about the price you see if they did test it and it had flaws they would then have to mention it or lie. ignorance is bliss and profitable. sorry for the bad speiling eye is dislaxic iscorama is a waiting game if you want to buy bid in an auction or wait for a sale from a shooter. or spend less money and get the only other magic optic worth a mention moller 1.5x Francisco Rios 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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