Ed_David Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Testing all these cameras out against each other - the ursa mini did quite well!! Sony F65 vs Alexa Mini (Arriraw) vs Ursa Mini Pro vs Red Helium vs Red Dragon All shot at their highest resolution! Testing skin tones and motion cadence and highlight handling! Using filmconvert profile kodak 250d, also lowering exposure on it cause it blows out the highlights. SPECIAL THANKS TO: Public Record (for the RED DRAGON) No Frames (Mikko) for the Red Helium Adam Uhl for the Alexa Mini!! And Viewers Like You! WHICH CAMERA IS WHICH?? The results will be posted below. But first! A quick announcement! Shot on Zeiss 100mm standard speed - at T2 - I think. I don't remember. Did I shoot with glimmerglass1 or not - I don't remember. Shot over the course of a month, in a poor scientific matching way on all fronts. No chip chart. No measured distance nor t stop. This test is a mess. Sony F65 - 4k Raw Lite 3:1 Red Helium - 8k 5:1 compressoin Ursa Mini - 4.6k 3:1 compression Alexa Mini - Arriraw 3.2k Red Dragon - 6k 5:1 compression Juxx989, Andrew Reid and Inazuma 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcs Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Hey Ed, maybe do the test again? Even one scene where everything is constant (except camera) would be good. Juxx989, Ed_David and tupp 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Yeah crazy how good the ursa mini pro holds up next to a F65 or a Alexa mini, especially as they are dirt cheap in comparison. IronFilm and Ed_David 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_David Posted September 6, 2017 Author Share Posted September 6, 2017 1 hour ago, jcs said: Hey Ed, maybe do the test again? Even one scene where everything is constant (except camera) would be good. But then the comedy would be lost! webrunner5, Liam and Dave Maze 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregormannschaft Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Brilliant. Would be interested in a black and white comparison. And how each camera matches with drone footage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Gregormannschaft said: And how each camera matches with drone footage. And a side by side next to an iPhone Ed_David 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted September 6, 2017 Administrators Share Posted September 6, 2017 Your mug shot racked up so much screen time I thought you were going to try and beat Philip Bloom's record!! Throw a GH2 in there next time, I am sure it will beat the F65 on the shirt test given the right light Ed_David 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcs Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 3 hours ago, Ed_David said: But then the comedy would be lost! Lol. "Remember to vote sept 12th!"- is this part of your campaign? Ed_David 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squig Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 I liked C, F, then A for skin. B & E lacked warmth. Overcast? In the street I like F, A, then C. C looked a bit too magenta. The sky was overcast for E, I think it could look good in the sun. B didn't do a lot for me. I'm gonna guess F is either the Alexa or the F65, but fuck knows. What's the asterisk on F signify Ed? Ed (if you've got a 5D Mk3 handy) would you mind grabbing the skin tone shot @ 3k raw? A decent 50mm at f/2 will match up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcs Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 @squig for all we know it could be the same camera with random color grades. #itsajoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squig Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 26 minutes ago, jcs said: @squig for all we know it could be the same camera with random color grades. #itsajoke Y'all better not be fuckin' with me Ed. I'll fly over there, hook up with some brothers, and whoop that gentrifyin' ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_David Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 4 hours ago, squig said: I liked C, F, then A for skin. B & E lacked warmth. Overcast? In the street I like F, A, then C. C looked a bit too magenta. The sky was overcast for E, I think it could look good in the sun. B didn't do a lot for me. I'm gonna guess F is either the Alexa or the F65, but fuck knows. What's the asterisk on F signify Ed? Ed (if you've got a 5D Mk3 handy) would you mind grabbing the skin tone shot @ 3k raw? A decent 50mm at f/2 will match up. The test is real. A is Red Helium (low-light) B is Ursa Mini Pro C is F65 E is Arriraw (Alexa Mini) F is red dragon F* is red dragon in s16mm mode with angeniuex glass Test showed me that Ursa Mini holds its own in skintones and highlight handling. Not as precise as the red helium or f65 or alexa, but pretty darn good. And on the street - doc stuff, it definitely holds its own. It showed me the helium definitely has better skintones than the dragon, but again, on the street, not as crucial, all though the dragon kind of has a "dead" feeling to me - something about it lacks flair. The alexa and the ursa mini for me was the most natural off the bat. The Ursa mini has nice reds that I like. It falls apart in highlight handling in more extreme situations, but it's a $6k camera, and it's going against $50k cameras It shows me that the f65's mechanical shutter is beautiful - but not really that noticeably better and definitely does not make the extra weight and bulk and size of the f65 worth it. It's a crap test, but I still learned a lot from it. Mostly this: I gotta stop buying cameras. Cause every 6 months a new camera or sensor will be out, and the old one is not as good. So I shouldn't be pushing for a tool that's not as good. The new venice - it could be amazing, and it's possible the ursa mini will look 80% as good , with a lot less hassle. Canon 5d mark iv and mark iii raw - I should try those guys out. But, in the end, I am still gravitating more and more to 16mm glass and feel. The red dragon was pretty darn beautiful how it handles the extra grain - moreso than the ursa mini pro (all though that has nicer colors) and the micro camera - with its moire issues as well as iso issues. But still, is it worth $20k to have a working 16mm camera when the world is moving towards full frame for video? How does 16mm feel compared to full frame? That's my next test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcel Zyskind Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 I overheard Robert Yeoman at Camerimage last year saying that if he could shoot 16mm the rest of his life he would be happy. Ed_David 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurier Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 On consumer grade stuff colors got a lot better, I sold my a7s mk1 because of that, but slog2 on a7R2 looks great. A lot of the bad color reputation also come from the fact that people don t know how to handle slog files. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SigurdW Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Please put it up again, Ed! Opened the wine when I read the title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 It lives on on YT: <../> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_David Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 I redid the grade here, still crazy macro blocking in YT: Also did a ursa mini 4.6k in 16mm mode - like the color better than the micro or pocket. better blues mercer and AaronChicago 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 You are masterful at getting that early 80s film look. Really cool. Ed_David 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kabuto1138 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Hey Ed, great test. No f35? you did great stuff with it, why not in the test? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_David Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 6 hours ago, kabuto1138 said: Hey Ed, great test. No f35? you did great stuff with it, why not in the test? Doing that today! I sold mine! But my friend Ricardo is going to come by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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