jonpais Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 @Matt Kieley I think you might be on to something there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 2 hours ago, Matt Kieley said: Who is this camera for then? Wedding videographers shooting in terrible dim/mixed lighting? Who would be able to afford the EVA1 + lenses, but not a few Lowel lights? I just recently picked up a second Lowel DP (1K) light, used, complete with barndoors, protective screen, and bulb for $60 from Adorama. The first one I bought used for a similar price. There are also good, bright LED lights that are portable and affordable, so "not having access to power" is no longer an excuse. Lighting should be something all filmmakers (not videographers, but filmmakers) use creatively, to express a feeling, not something that comes last, after camera, drones, gimbals, etc. If low light is a concern, why not buy an A7SII for a fraction of the cost of the EVA1? I have lights a plenty, but there is something to be said for traveling light? Travel friendly lights often do not put out many lumens. And for run and gun it can be awkward setting up lights. On a controlled set, no worries. Are you making the case for wanting poor low-light performance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deezid Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Radio88 on Vimeo looks amazing to me (don't view it in Chrome to judge colors though, they're seriously messed up there...). Basically like a GH5 on steroids, or Varicam. I don't see any overprocessing like sharpening or noise reduction either. The C200 looks like crap compared to that (in MP4 at least), RAW is ok, but doesn't show that incredible amount of detail. 4 hours ago, AaronChicago said: I have to say, I'm not feelin' it. Definitely waiting till more examples are out as well as raw footage but this doesn't look like the Varicam 35 to me. It looks better to me than anything shot on the original Varicam to me. The amount of detail is insane. No visible sharpening either. Colors look great as well. If there wasn't the 4k60p 8 bit flaw, this would have been an instant buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Pierre Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 14 hours ago, AaronChicago said: I have to say, I'm not feelin' it. Definitely waiting till more examples are out as well as raw footage but this doesn't look like the Varicam 35 to me. I agree, it's not the Varicam...but neither is the GH5, and I would use the 3 together without hesitation...for me it's a problem with the EVA mount...but reading between the lines, the good out of the camera IQ, more than does it for me, and for my use, the good is what I would be interested in. My biggest problem with the camera really is, if I needed better ergonomics than the GH5, it would be the LT...with the GH5 used as BCam....so for my use this camera does not fit a slot...and I think this camera was definately designed for narrative work, not run & gun or weddings....there are much cheaper and more forgiving cameras for that purpose! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Vimeo release of the "Near to superstition": Still noisy but much better than the youtube. It looks like youtube sucks most of the quality out of the videos, especially when they have noise, making it the shittiest delivery method. Vimeo: Youtube: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deezid Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 23 minutes ago, Don Kotlos said: Vimeo release of the "Near to superstition": Still noisy but much better than the youtube. It looks like youtube sucks most of the quality out of the videos, especially when they have noise, making it the shittiest delivery method. Vimeo: Youtube: Crazy how weak YouTube still is in terms of compression... I love how much detail many of these shots have. Way better than the original Varicam in that regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 1 hour ago, deezid said: Crazy how weak YouTube still is in terms of compression... I love how much detail many of these shots have. Way better than the original Varicam in that regard. The Vimeo effort is better, and much more detailed... not as soft. But right at about 7.46, there is some weirdness visible on the main characters face. Not what I would really call organic. It clearly shows digital noise. While I will give you the EVA1 is far more detailed than the Canon offerings, I will also point out that it seems to handle noise worst. Stranger still, some of the people here were actually pleased with the youtube rendition of this movie. I just can't see that being acceptable. For daylight, this camera is great. But that does limit its applications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 2 hours ago, Don Kotlos said: Youtube: still better on vimeo, but... ? - I'm sure it would look better too if I wasn't on a 720 screen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 38 minutes ago, Liam said: still better on vimeo, but... ? - I'm sure it would look better too if I wasn't on a 720 screen It was on a near 4K (3440) screen... Uploading here, changed the resolution. Here is another (near) 4K capture: Apparently the main character is about to die from pixel eating bacteria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 13 minutes ago, Don Kotlos said: Apparently the main character is about to die from pixel eating bacteria but is your computer dying of something? maybe my screen's res is basically denoising it? I feel like something's wrong here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, Liam said: I feel like something's wrong here Youtube is wrong. Vimeo looks just fine. Noisy but fine, not a macroblocking hell... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 39 minutes ago, Don Kotlos said: Youtube is wrong. Vimeo looks just fine. Noisy but fine, not a macroblocking hell... Whatever the issue... there is still definitely and issue. If it cannot play nice on YouTube that's not good for many. I remain largely disappointed in what I have seen so far. I hope it is improved before launch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Matthew Hartman Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I'm trying to dig this camera but I just can't. To my eyes the image overall looks thin and people look plastic. The motion cadence looks video-ish too. I'm sure you could do a few tricks to make it look more filmic, but with some effort, which is kind of underwhelming for a camera in it's price range. I feel like it's not a far cry from what you could get out of a modern mirrorless camera. Sorry if this offends anyone. It's just merely my opinion. If you like and use this cam, cheers. Happy filming. TwoScoops 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 5 hours ago, Matthew Hartman said: I'm trying to dig this camera but I just can't. To my eyes the image overall looks thin and people look plastic. The motion cadence looks video-ish too. I'm sure you could do a few tricks to make it look more filmic, but with some effort, which is kind of underwhelming for a camera in it's price range. I feel like it's not a far cry from what you could get out of a modern mirrorless camera. Sorry if this offends anyone. It's just merely my opinion. If you like and use this cam, cheers. Happy filming. Did you get the Ursa already? It seems that this camera is a direct competitor to the BMUMP, and its total cost is a bit smaller for lower end stuff (all the UMP raw options are great, but for most people and most uses, just 10bit is enough, and a whole EVA rig can be a lot cheaper). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Hartman Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 7 hours ago, Kisaha said: Did you get the Ursa already? It seems that this camera is a direct competitor to the BMUMP, and its total cost is a bit smaller for lower end stuff (all the UMP raw options are great, but for most people and most uses, just 10bit is enough, and a whole EVA rig can be a lot cheaper). Canceled the order pending this RAW NX1 find. We'll see what it reveals and if it's not a reliable thing I'll order the URSA again. Even with the RAW thing I'm still leaning on the URSA because I feel like it will be more reliable/adaptable, but you never know. I can wait for the reveal next month, and I wouldn't mind saving the $7k if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 On 3/20/2018 at 8:55 AM, Matthew Hartman said: We'll see what it reveals and if it's not a reliable thing I'll order the URSA again. What about the new Kinefinity announcement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 6 hours ago, IronFilm said: What about the new Kinefinity announcement? The NX1 announcement won't in anyway compete with a full on cine camera. I do not know what wizardry Arikhan will brought in, but it won't be the same as having a dedicated cine camera able to record in multiple formats, ND filters, or the bell and whistles of a proper cine-ergonomics, and all. Kinefity's sound great, but we don't see enough, here in Europe. UMP and EVA would be safest bets for sure, and especially the EVA has a great price tag and 5.7K raw on a week, or two. webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Panasonic firmware updates: Additional recording formats 4096×2160(4K) 422Intra 400M 29.97p,24p,25p,23.98p 3840×2160(UHD) 422Intra 400M 29.97p,25p,23.98p 2048×1080(2K) 422Intra 200M 59.94p,50p 422Intra 100M 29.97p,24p,25p,23.98p 1920×1080(FHD) 422Intra 200M 59.94p,50p 422Intra 100M 29.97p,25p,23.98p,59.94i,50i 422LongGOP 50M 59.94i,50i (Support for VFR) 4K / UHD 422Intra 400M Max 30fps 2K / FHD 422Intra 200M/100M Max 120fps (equivalent to 400M) Support for Interval REC Support for RAW Output 5.7K/30p, Crop 4K/60p, Crop 2K/240p Output of CAMERA metadata (info about sensor, lens, etc.) superimposed on SDI Output of information displayed on LCD so as to be able to use HDMI output for VF purpose（Focus Assist and HOME Screen） Improvement in HOME Screen operability Switching of VFR ON/OFF, SHUTTER ON/OFF and ISO/GAIN Improvement of WFM Transmittance of WFM display is lowered for improvement in readability. WFM can be switched directly from Focus Square. Compatibility with 3rd-party wired remote controls Improvement When SDI OUT menu is at OFF, mounting/dismounting of LCD causes REC S/S button on the Grip to no longer work. This problem is fixed. Source: 43rumors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahwah Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 11:47 PM, Matthew Hartman said: I'm trying to dig this camera but I just can't. To my eyes the image overall looks thin and people look plastic. The motion cadence looks video-ish too. I'm sure you could do a few tricks to make it look more filmic, but with some effort, which is kind of underwhelming for a camera in it's price range. I feel like it's not a far cry from what you could get out of a modern mirrorless camera. Sorry if this offends anyone. It's just merely my opinion. If you like and use this cam, cheers. Happy filming. Do you think what you're seeing are artifacts from the compression (long GOP) that is in the 1.0 firmware? I'm curious to see some footage shot on the new All-I codec (and RAW). From what I understand long GOP is really best for delivery not capture (maybe that's wrong, but it makes sense). Still curious to see what effect this might have on the issues you highlighted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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