kaylee Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 nice id like to see a d850 vs 5d4 shootout ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Williams Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 I liked my D750 a lot, but the second you turned on live view, the AF went to absolute shit. It's better on this camera? Also, is it true what I'm hearing here, no focus peaking in 4k? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ND64 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 16 hours ago, IronFilm said: The D5 replacement is not coming in 2018, maybe not even 2019. Nikon flagship cycle is 2 years, next is D5S. If it didn't come till February 2018 consider it Delayed. 14 hours ago, Trek of Joy said: Exactly, its barely a year and a half old, it'l be at least two more years before its successor is even announced. The big sports bodies are on a 4-year cycle. The d750 and 610 replacements will likely be next in 2018 - along with the FF mirrorless cam. They announced D5 at CES 2016, with a pre-announcement two months before that. Its more than barely a year and half old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trek of Joy Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 3 hours ago, Eric Calabros said: Nikon flagship cycle is 2 years, next is D5S. If it didn't come till February 2018 consider it Delayed. They announced D5 at CES 2016, with a pre-announcement two months before that. Its more than barely a year and half old. The S model has been a minor refresh, the D6 with a new sensor and new AF is still a couple years away. A year and a half is June or July if you look at when it actually shipped, so we're just a few months past. Close enough. Cheers. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 20 hours ago, Trek of Joy said: Exactly, its barely a year and a half old, it'l be at least two more years before its successor is even announced. The big sports bodies are on a 4-year cycle. The d750 and 610 replacements will likely be next in 2018 - along with the FF mirrorless cam. Being the cheap bastard that I am, the camera next year from Nikon which interests me the most is the D5600 replacement! 4K with focus peaking please Trek of Joy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted October 8, 2017 Author Administrators Share Posted October 8, 2017 Focus peaking is overrated you don't need it if you have a very high res screen, which thankfully the D850 has. So although it only works in 1080p, which is strange, I am not missing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Williams Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 2 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: Focus peaking is overrated you don't need it if you have a very high res screen, which thankfully the D850 has. So although it only works in 1080p, which is strange, I am not missing it. Maybe, but it was missing from the D750 and that really sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 4 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: Focus peaking is overrated you don't need it if you have a very high res screen, which thankfully the D850 has. So although it only works in 1080p, which is strange, I am not missing it. You don't always have the luxury of a high resolution screen. And focus peaking can help give you a bit more information than what a high res screwn would give you. I was yesterday 1st AC on a short film with the GH5 and the DoP only had one monitor for his camera (& no HDMI pass through! So wouldn't even have mattered if we had a second). So I had to use the GH5 screen itself for pulling focus when it was on his shoulder. Having focus peaking really helped save my butt when pulling focus on the Nikon 50mm f1.2! :-o webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ND64 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 On 10/8/2017 at 9:50 PM, IronFilm said: You don't always have the luxury of a high resolution screen. And focus peaking can help give you a bit more information than what a high res screwn would give you. In reality your eye is way more precise that any peaking algorithm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gethin Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Those 4k samples look loverly. I wish they'd push the boat out a bit and give us raw video bursts. Even 20 seconds would be cool. All of this in a mirrorless version is where I'd plonk my money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 4 hours ago, Eric Calabros said: In reality your eye is way more precise that any peaking algorithm. More tools to assist you in the heat of the moment is always a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deezid Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Seems like it uses Lineskipping in FX mode. Only usable in S35 mode but nowhere near as good as the Sony A7R II, A6500/6300, GH5, NX1 etc... https://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Nikon-D850---FullHD--4K-und-Slow-Motion-sowie-Rolling-Shutter-Messung.html (German) Better than Canon at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted October 11, 2017 Author Administrators Share Posted October 11, 2017 Hard to argue with Slashcam's results but you will notice in 4K FX the horizontal resolution is very good indeed. This counts for a lot in the real world. This is not a moire camera. It may show some on a chart, yes. All do. I very much doubt it is line-skipping. The results would be much worse if it was. The difference in real-world resolution between the full frame FX mode and Super 35mm is tiny. The other advantages over Sony outweigh the difference in res anyway... better codec for starters. D850 FX 4K: 5D Mark IV 1.7x crop 4K: You will see that the D850 actually out-resolves the 1:1 full pixel readout of the 1.7x crop 4K on the 5D Mark IV horizontally... And that the Canon 4K has worse moire issues... even without binning or line skipping. So whatever the D850 pixel binning is doing from 46MP down to 8MP for 4K it is doing it well enough as to not be noticeable in the real-world vs a 1:1 readout... Very impressive. Let's throw in the A7S II, 1D C and GH4 as well... 1D C... Soft, and moire patterns especially horizontally.... A7S II full frame 4K... Still moire. Oversharpened PP settings used though. GH4... Moire present again! These all look worse than the Nikon's 4K in this test and as we know, in the real world they offer some of the best images around. https://www.slashcam.de/4K-Kamera-Vergleich-u-show_von-i-49-u-mode-i-docompare.html IronFilm, ND64 and Liam 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deezid Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Take a look at the A7RII with it's amazing debayering and scaling. Or the still respectable GH5 Now the Nikon D850 (APS-C) The Nikon D850 is at least one step back from these in terms of video quality. Conclusion for me: You want a great photo camera, the Nikon D850 is fine. For video there are way better alternatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzynormal Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Meh. To much chart peeping, not enough making stuff. It's a good camera, so are a lot of others. Go do something for reals, dangnabit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaylee Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 19 minutes ago, fuzzynormal said: dangnabit IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzynormal Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 In my day, all we had was a balsa wood box that captured the nickleodeons with potato starch spread on the intestines of a dead goat. We'd project our film using the miller's windmill and 10,000 candles. At the end of the night we'd have wax burn scars on our hands and genitals, but the images of old man Johnson waving his pickle jar and holding an onion pitchfork kept us in stitches! That's all we had, by gum, and we liked it! http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/weekend-update-segment---grumpy-old-man/n9908?snl=1 kaylee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Administrators Andrew Reid Posted October 12, 2017 Author Administrators Share Posted October 12, 2017 10 hours ago, deezid said: Take a look at the A7RII with it's amazing debayering and scaling. Or the still respectable GH5 Now the Nikon D850 (APS-C) The Nikon D850 is at least one step back from these in terms of video quality. Conclusion for me: You want a great photo camera, the Nikon D850 is fine. For video there are way better alternatives. You're completely missing the bigger picture, literally. The A7R II Super 35mm is fine, but it isn't full frame. The GH5 is not full frame. The D850 is full frame 4K and much better than the A7R II's full frame 4K, better horizontal res and less moire, it's better even than the A99 II full frame 4K which I am very happy with and which was an improvement on the A7R II's image. The codec and colour science are superior to the Sonys. The sensor size and stills are superior to the GH5. ND64 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted October 12, 2017 Author Administrators Share Posted October 12, 2017 Meanwhile, in the real world: (All full frame. Flat profile. Sharpness on zero) Kisaha, iamoui, dahlfors and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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