Marcio Kabke Pinheiro Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 I know that here is a video oriented forum, but it is looking interesting... I thought that was a very bad rendering error in the front image, but looks like that this will be the trick in this camera: a multi-aspect sensor. The opening in the mount is clearly square (hence the hypothesis of a rendering error). But there is a V MODE button on the side of the EVF, and it is not the button to switch EVF behaviour - as in the GH5, this button is assigned by default to a button on the back. V MODE looks like "vertical mode" - you could take a portrait oriented picture keeping the camera in the usual landscape position, with full resolution. But let's wait to see if they will not use the same LX100 "trick" to make the sensor "multi-aspect": cropping. It is hard to imagine Panasonic getting a custom sensor for only one model, but... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 I doubt it is different than the GH5 sensor. It would be so expensive to produce with a tiny market for it. Also that would be a very awkward button placement for changing crops. G9 looks like a E-M1mkII competitor at a similar price point. If there were any changes on the sensor it should be adding PDAF, but even that is unlikely. The most interesting part of it, other than the fairly large EVF, is the on/off switch which looks exactly like the Nikon. Maybe they started a collaboration? Top LCD is great as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcio Kabke Pinheiro Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 Just now, Don Kotlos said: I doubt it is different than the GH5 sensor. It would be so expensive to produce with a tiny market for it. Also that would be a very awkward button placement for changing crops. G9 looks like a E-M1mkII competitor at a similar price point. If there were any changes on the sensor it should be adding PDAF, but even that is unlikely. The most interesting part of it, other than the fairly large EVF, is the on/off switch which looks exactly like the Nikon. Maybe they started a collaboration? Top LCD is great as well. I thought the same - no way that Panasonic would get a different sensor for only one camera. But that V MODE button - I agree that it is in a very strange position - and the square opening... And yeah, it is a E-M1 II competitor. Even have exactly the same width. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 8 minutes ago, Márcio Kabke Pinheiro said: and the square opening... Faking sensors is quite common for product shots. Whether that is because it is hard to shot, or using rendered models or just to make the sensor look larger than it actually is, I cannot be sure ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liork Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 We had the same topic on the GH5... Orangenz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I predict this camera will be a complete and utter flop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesku Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 It has the same IBIS sensor as GH5 5184×3888 resolution, no multi aspect. No multi region 50/60P as in all Panasonic "consumer" models. No 10bit video modes or 400Mbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Bowgett Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 The specs actually do look to be pretty solid, but it's priced far too high. Unless you really need the higher photo burst speed (and can live with the loss of V-Log and, presumably, unlimited recording times), I can't see much reason to go with this over the GH5. jbCinC_12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Many of us here were hoping for a successor to the mighty G85, guess we’ll have to wait until 2018. As far as pricing goes, I think we’ve seen the last of the $700 body that can do practically everything (GX**) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcio Kabke Pinheiro Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 About the sensor: crappy rendering hypothesis was confirmed. I think that it is not a G85 sucessor, this one is in a upper class, aimed at still photographers - and $100 cheaper than the E-M1 MKII, even with the current discounts. I am surprises that 4k60 was included, I thought that only 4k30 will be included. For video, GH5 is clearly better. If Panasonic had jettisoned its "pride" about DFD (as it did about IBIS) and implemented PDAF on sensor, this camera would be a home run for stills (it could sell well as it is, but PDAF would be an icing on the cake). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Yeah WTF is this? $1700 and it doesn’t even have the 200mbps 1080p?!?! The pricing of their camera lines make no sense. This is a $1200 camera at best. webrunner5 and terozzz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 It sucks the price of it. Waaaay to close to the GH5, why not just get the GH5 instead? & leaves this big empty price gap under it until you get to the G80, with nothing to fill this hole (like it should be). Anyway, this certainly won't ever be replacing my Panasonic G6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Between the E-M1 Mark II and the next E-M5, I don’t see how they compete with Olympus. The price gap between the GX85 and the G9 is too big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted November 8, 2017 Super Members Share Posted November 8, 2017 Viewing it as it was intended, a stills camera, then it makes perfect sense. Im in the camp that wouldn't care if my stills camera didn't have any sort of video all together. karin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 37 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said: Viewing it as it was intended, a stills camera, then it makes perfect sense. Im in the camp that wouldn't care if my stills camera didn't have any sort of video all together. True, I guess if you’re a photographer first that’s invested in the m4/3rds system, then the video features are an added bonus and more than enough for most events or hybrid use. But are the photography elements so much better than what the GH5 offers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Rather yet... are the photography elements so much better than what the G80/G81/G85 offers (which supposedly will continue to be its own line-up)? Currently body price of a G80: around 700 EUR. The G9 comes in at 1700! 1000 bucks for... a gorgeous (by the looks of it) EVF and uh... a top LCD? Ok, maybe a bit better photography performance, but again 1000 bucks worth of improvements? I think not. And a 200mm f/2.8 lens that's like 3000,- bucks? When you can have the Olympus 40-150mm f/2.8 PRO with 1.4x TC with more flexbility for half? Not sure what they've been smoking. If they want to take the battle to the Olympus E-M1 Mark II and their own G80/81/85 and GH5, they should've come up with a gamechanger. I get the need for a more professional flagship for the stills shooters that have no interest in paying a premium for advanced filmmaking features. But this lack those and is up there in price range!? Actually, effectively the deal I managed to get on my GH5 turned out to be 400 bucks cheaper than that! Maybe they thought 'well, to those who can afford a 3000,- bucks lens, they're probably willing to shell out another 1700 for a camera = profit'. And on the other hand it's also a bit of a 'fuck you' to people heavily invested in the MFT system, it's like 'we know you're more or less stuck in the system, so we're going to drive the prices up and you'll still buy 'em!'. Anyways. At the end of the day this is their photography flagship now. So... don't be too surprised about the disappointing video specs. maxotics, IronFilm, Beritar and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 That’s the question... if you’re a pro, small format photographer (oxymoron?) do you choose a G9 over the E-M1 Mark II? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I think it compares very favorably to the E-M1mkii. At least in paper it offers better stabilization (6.5 stops even with unstabilized lenses) and it has a far better EVF. I find the top LCD very useful in general, one of the few things that I really miss with mirrorless cameras. The only real disadvantage that it might have is the lack of PDAF, but that remains to be tested of how much difference there is in tracking. I also believe the larger size is an advantage for sports photographers. Coupled with the new 200mm f/2.8 this will be a success in the market that e-m1mkii dominates. And as a bonus you get 4K 60p and far better audio preamps. karin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeys Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 15 minutes ago, mercer said: That’s the question... if you’re a pro, small format photographer (oxymoron?) do you choose a G9 over the E-M1 Mark II? I'd buy a GH5 regardless. I haven't seen much that suggests this will be so much better than the GH5 I'd rather pay the extra US$200 and get the GH5's extra video features. Of course if reviews suggest so I might be more inclined to it. 4 minutes ago, Don Kotlos said: Coupled with the new 200mm f/2.8 this will be a success in the market that e-m1mkii dominates. Not at US$3k though, that is an insane price for a 200/2.8. mercer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ND64 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 12 minutes ago, Don Kotlos said: I find the top LCD very useful in general, one of the few things that I really miss from mirrorless cameras. everything you can read from top LCD, you can see through view finder, or rear LCD. its just make it "look pro", and thats it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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