jonpais Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 The GH5 has dozens of useless features I don’t need - like an EVF. ? @anonim Arguments like, “how about Sony, how about Canon?” are irrelevant and just meant to distract our attention. I could just as easily add, ‘how about Peugeot? what about Maytag?’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonim Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 @jonpais It is obvious - you can't restrict you and cover all these magical Vietnamese ladies (from your well thought camouflage tests) with miserable 0.82 ETF magnification - you need at least fisheyed 4.0! (Sony, Canon was Eno's special addition, not mine.) jonpais 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Reading your posts is like listening to Yoda speak... Brian Williams 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Eno said: @jonpais That's only your point of view, mine is totally different. I really don't have any use for V-Log, 10 bits, ALL-I codecs, unlimited recording is nice but irrelevant for event shooting, featured clips and commercials etc. I really do appreciate the 300 euro less per camera (cause I need several of them). I really do need the better image quality offered by the G9 (yes it's there and can't be added via firmware - below it's a raw comparison between the two). I really do need the bigger EVF, the 80 Mpix multi shot mode is fantastic for corporate work. The G9 screen resolution is probably the same, the GH5 uses 4 dots per pixel (RGBW instead of RGB), 3,2 inch vs 3 inch it's a very small difference. It's funny how you complain about the lack of video features on the G9, which except for the GH5 have no mach in any other ILC on the market, from any company. If you are so trilled about those extra video features on the GH5, go for it! Who's cheeping you not to buy it? I do 50/50 photo/video work and I'm really very contend with what the G9 offers in regard to video and trilled about the improvements in the still side of things. And yes I will pay for it as soon as I can place my preorder. I need to get my eyes examined, because the two pictures above look practically identical to me. You could easily intercut the 8-bit footage from both cameras and nobody would be able to tell the difference. Maybe skin tones will tell a different story, I don't shoot plants and coffee cups. I'd personally avoid shooting above ISO 1600 anyhow. On the positive side, the AF and IBIS look like they're doing a great job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 IBIS in G9 looks excellent and the 6.5stops in without stabilized lenses accurate: http://www.photobyrichard.com/reviewbyrichard/panasonic-lumix-g9-review/ Can't really see a difference between dual I.S.2 and just IBIS: If they have improved the AF performance in video as well then this will be a hell of a hybrid camera. Jonesy Jones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Thanks for sharing, @Don Kotlos. Does Richard do any side-by-side comparisons with the GH5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, jonpais said: Thanks for sharing, @Don Kotlos. Does Richard do any side-by-side comparisons with the GH5? He only compared IBIS and dual I.S. 2 in stills between the GH5 and the G9. I guess he might be open to do more comparisons between the two like AF or video IBIS, if you suggest it to him. To tell you the truth I would really like a G9 with the video features of GH5 jonpais 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eno Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 4 hours ago, jonpais said: I need to get my eyes examined, because the two pictures above look practically identical to me. Indeed you need to do that cause there's a 0,4 stops difference between the two (that's almost half a stop better ISO performance on the G9 RAW files compared to the GH5). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonim Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 @Eno Just to mention potential suspect... maybe your eyes simply are not trained as Jon's in looking with ETTC compensation in reserve, so he is not that thrilled or impressed with detecting 0.4 ISO differences in 400% magnification at 6400ISO values. jonpais 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eno Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 @anonim Than he or you wouldn't be able to spot any difference between the G9 and Sony A7II either, cause they are much closer than G9 vs Gh5 are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonim Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Well, we need better and more experienced eyes than mine to judge - I'm blocked with a view of black pots and pencils as a letter message from death - you know, association of an ash pot and handwrite, or such things... ) I really and just full subjectively - and of course just from provided mages - like G9 body more than GH5. That secondary screen has special suspense-look when is illuminated. Seriously, I think that quasi erotic pleasure of handling tool is one of the most important aspect in shooting. For me it (G9 screen) look as mobile phone screen that could at the moment be lighten-up and bring to me some sweet and tender message from some unknown beauty... I think that G9 show deep psychological competence of Panasonic construct team - hat down for that mix of romanticism and modernism! Buttons are, I think, better ergonomically posted too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orangenz Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Ben likes the hand grip ergonomics, the ibis, the evf. Only 8 bit with 10min limit on 50p. Eno 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 This is a very interesting video talking about cameras in general and in which G9 is mentioned: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 What happens when the ten minute limit is reached in 4K60* - does it overheat, do you have to wait half an hour or a set time, can you just start a new clip immediately? Photography aside, if this didn't have 4K60 I don't think any Panasonic owner between a GX80 and a GH5 could possibly be interested. But it does have 4K60* And it's £200 cheaper than the GH5. I'll wait on a definitive list of pros and cons after it has been out for nine months and take another look. By then, it will drop another £500 and might be tempting depending on what Sony come up with - which will likely be not a great deal unless you are a pro as opposed to a hobbiest. I suspect that the a7S3 will not have 4K60. If you want that, you'll have to go high end. *4K50 in the UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 20 hours ago, Eno said: I wander how other people can mage shooting video with so little video features on the Sony, Canon ILC cameras etc? I wonder how on earth people managed to shoot with the GH4/GH3/GH2/GH1? How did we manage to shoot a short film last weekend with only a Panasonic GH3?? :-o Why on earth do I still own 2x Panasonic GH1 cameras :-o Eno 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeys Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 2 hours ago, IronFilm said: Why on earth do I still own 2x Panasonic GH1 cameras :-o That's a good question, why? webrunner5, Cinegain and Jonesy Jones 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael1 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 On 11/9/2017 at 5:47 PM, karuchie said: 4k 60p/50p is written 10 minute limit on the note. http://www.panasonic.com/uk/consumer/cameras-camcorders/lumix-g-compact-system-cameras/dc-g9.specs.html NOTE - Recording stops when the continuous recording time exceeds 10 minutes with [MP 4] in [4 K / 60 p] [4 K / 50 p] [4 K / High Speed Video]. I wonder what the story is here. Does that mean it needs to be restarted to create a new file, or it will overheat if run for more than 10 minutes? 10 minutes is too short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 It means recording stops after 10 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Here is the AF test in video: PS He will be doing some video tests as well so if anyone wants to ask him for something specific here is the original thread: https://***URL removed***/forums/thread/4222635 Eno 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eno Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 @Don Kotlos Thanks for sharing the continuous face detection AF test. It's quite usable IMO and a nice improvement over the GH5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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