Don Kotlos Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 At $700 it wasn't really a good buy, but for $200 it might be a nice crash cam ... https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1203955-REG/z_camera_e1cam3a701_e1_mini_4k_video.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxotics Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 That camera had its own display stand at B&H for a while. I couldn't get it to turn on. It was hanging by its security wire which I doubt was plugged into anything. Has a mic in. Hey, let's go make a MOVIE Good eye Don. Tempting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 I know not the best quality out there but if you need something with relatively large sensor and interchangeable lenses, I guess this could be used. webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Yeah for $200, it doesn’t look bad at all to get Cinema 4K. I’m fine with the IQ of the video you posted... looks fine on my phone. I would more be afraid of it not working. It doesn’t have the best of reviews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salim Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I saw that...and was about to buy it. But looked at the reviews and decided, I rather spend $200-300 more and buy a GX85 or something. The reviews were not only bad, but made the camera seem not that useful at all. Then I went to the manufacturers website and it looks like they have completely shifted their focus doing VR cameras. Which means there will be no additional firmware improvements and I'll be left with a $200 junk. I rather spend $500 and have something like the GX85, I think. maxotics 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 A handful of these and you have a good start at a 360VR set up! PannySVHS and webrunner5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeys Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Well shit, looks like it's back up to $600. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 11 hours ago, leeys said: Well shit, looks like it's back up to $600. Was only for 24 hrs? Or they're sold out already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Mayer Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Back down to $249. I am keeping my eye out for it on sale in the UK as I am guessing you have to pay customs duty on imports and with it being extra cheap maybe the UK customs will want to charge more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PannySVHS Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 What are the advantages to a GX800 or GX85 other than price difference? 60mbps is low for h264 UHD. I don´t know why I find this cubic form factor appealing, just like the blackmagic micro cinema and micro studio cameras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nocturnes Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Wireless AF is cool, most likely will order one for a cockpit camera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 19 hours ago, PannySVHS said: What are the advantages to a GX800 or GX85 other than price difference? Form factor, IBIS, and UI / usability. 19 hours ago, PannySVHS said: I don´t know why I find this cubic form factor appealing, just like the blackmagic micro cinema and micro studio cameras. Because a "cube shape" means a poor man's RED?! :-P lol PannySVHS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PannySVHS Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 I once asked, if Richard Gale was still doing the A6000 mods, which Andrew was giving information about. Sometimes some cameras click better than others, let´s put it this way. Well, IBIS and UI are advantages to the Lumix offerings, not the other way around:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr041 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 On 11/21/2017 at 10:54 PM, salim said: I saw that...and was about to buy it. But looked at the reviews and decided, I rather spend $200-300 more and buy a GX85 or something. The reviews were not only bad, but made the camera seem not that useful at all. Then I went to the manufacturers website and it looks like they have completely shifted their focus doing VR cameras. Which means there will be no additional firmware improvements and I'll be left with a $200 junk. I rather spend $500 and have something like the GX85, I think. The latest firmware update was October. Your inference is wrong. Most of the reviewers on the Amazon and BH web sites either do not understand how to use the camera or are using much earlier firmware. There have been many firmware updates since the camera became available. It would be nice to have someone here test it, if they think it useful. salim 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr041 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Ok. I have the camera. So, let's get real :). First, at the firmware .23 that comes with the camera, half of the features do not work and autofocus does not work right. With the October update (.30), the focus now works - push to focus. You can set shutter speed, aperture, and ISO - you can set ISO to Auto and set aperture and shutter speed manually, for example. There are many tweaks for picture, including NR and sharpness. Second, the complaints about shadow noise may also be due to old firmware, since with the new firmware you can adjust noise reduction. In any case, the sensor is exactly the same as the one in the Panasonic GH4. So, performance should be similar (not identical, could be better given a newer processor and how it's tuned). So, how about a 4K30P comparison of the GH4 and the Z Camera E1 - same scene, same lens, same shutter and aperture? This is actually with the old E1 firmware. Leica Nocticron f1.2 lens (yes, a $1500 lens on a $199 camera) on both. Here it is. Same scene at F2 and at F5.6 (and ISO 800 for that scene). The cameras are in the same order for each lens/ISO setting. Which is which? which do you like better? Which has more noise? Which is more accurate? One camera's color is too orange (only I know the actual colors). WB was auto. No color correction in post. Default settings for the scenes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr041 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Here is what the Z camera E1 delivers (with sat adjustment only) in dim light (Nocticron at F2): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr041 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Lumix 14-140mm lens. AWB, AF, handheld. mercer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr041 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Too Noisy? 4K frame grabs from a dim church (no video because it is too shaky - using an unstabilized lens (Lumix 20mm f1.7)). mercer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 @markr041 thanks for the tests. These look quite nice. I love the color. Interesting camera. Can you list some pros and cons compared to some similarly priced cameras? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr041 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 6 minutes ago, mercer said: @markr041 thanks for the tests. These look quite nice. I love the color. Interesting camera. Can you list some pros and cons compared to some similarly priced cameras? You are welcome. I am not sure there are any comparable cams - it is $249 at BH. It is the smallest ilc , but bigger sensor. The small size means no dials, just buttons (2 assignable). No focus peaking, but does have auto magnification or push button to magnify. AF is like all Panasonic's, slow. There is push button AF and CAF. DR is 11 stops. No picture profiles except Z log! There are settings for NR , saturation, contrast, sharpness. No zebras or histogram. But the results are at least as good as the GH4. 60 Mbps bitrate though. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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