AaronChicago Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 @hyalinejim you may have to increase the Luminance Mapping and Saturation Mapping to get the full range of Log C before converting to Rec 709. At least that's how I've been able to get the most out of VLog conversions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sage Posted February 22, 2018 Author Share Posted February 22, 2018 The behavior is correct - Alexa does it too ; ) With wide gamut to 709 primaries, most saturated blues become very saturated deezid and hyalinejim 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sage Posted February 22, 2018 Author Share Posted February 22, 2018 11 hours ago, Oliver Daniel said: On a personal side note, as I get better at grading - I've found that I use "film look LUTS" much less often, as many LUTs create many undesired artefacts and weirdness. With your GHa conversion, there's a voodoo which I really enjoy with it, so I see myself using it exclusively from now on. Thank you! Thanks Oliver! There are a number of factors at play; there may be variance between GH5 copies. David L'Abbée notes the opposite, and indeed his reference charts show skintone and red deviating to green. This may or may not be the case; I am about to conduct some tests to nail down variance and develop solutions as needed. May I ask, what lens(es) do you happen to be using? I would recommend only placing white balance corrections before GHa, and all other corrections after it. Now, there is the caveat that if it works for you, then it is worth doing. Often times, the creator of a thing cannot envision the uses it will find when released into the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sage Posted February 22, 2018 Author Share Posted February 22, 2018 The "Blue" Update is out: Deeper, Richer Blues Smooth, Foregrounded Skintone Brighter, Richer Greens Adjusted Shadow Gamma Placement Core LogC: Tweaked Clipping Rolloff deezid, Georgios and Wild Ranger 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sage Posted February 24, 2018 Author Share Posted February 24, 2018 Update to the update is now out: Core LogC: Optimized Skintone Rolloff deezid and Wild Ranger 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyDulac Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Some recent tests with my new anamorphic adapter and Vlog. Really loving the color separation the lut gives. A few frames arent in focus...still practicing this anamorphic thing deezid and Sage 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deezid Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, JeremyDulac said: Some recent tests with my new anamorphic adapter and Vlog. Really loving the color separation the lut gives. A few frames arent in focus...still practicing this anamorphic thing Looks a bit like old 16mm footage with all that grain. Like it! Color separation indeed is great using V-log. With HLG it's kinda lacking... JeremyDulac 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyDulac Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, deezid said: Looks a bit like old 16mm footage with all that grain. Like it! Color separation indeed is great using V-log. With HLG it's kinda lacking... Agreed! I threw some FilmConvert grain on it The subtractive color really helps give it that filmic feel. I agree about HLG, I did some tests comparing vlog and hlg versions of the lut and even after converting hlg to vlog I wasnt able to get as nice of results as with shooting vlog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Pretty crazy. When I was young we busted our ass to try and get rid of Grain, and now every wants to add it! JeremyDulac, graphicnatured and Sage 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyDulac Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: Pretty crazy. When I was young we busted our ass to try and get rid of Grain, and now every wants to add it! haha I just LOVE grain! I do wish it was still practical to shoot on film these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I can kind of see it for photos but I am too big of a fan of it in Video. 8mm, 16mm stuff really looked like shit compared to what we have today. And I am really not a fan of the turquoise coloring from hell in modern stuff that tries to look like 8mm. But I can see why younger people want to try and relive it. It did, does have a quirky look to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyDulac Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I think it is really a subjective/preference topic because I love the look of 16mm. I can understand not loving it if you prefer a clean look. I personally am partial to a clean image and like something a bit more imperfect and organic. There is just something about grain that looks so good to me and makes an image come alive. But hey, to each their own! webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sage Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 Its looking great Jeremy! 6 hours ago, deezid said: Looks a bit like old 16mm footage with all that grain. Like it! Color separation indeed is great using V-log. With HLG it's kinda lacking... Watch this space deezid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jak234 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 19 hours ago, Sage said: Its looking great Jeremy! Watch this space So do you also have this opinion? That the HLG Version is not that good color wise? I bought your lut and now think of buying the vlog as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jak234 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 and... its only such a shame that vlog uses so less of the 1024 values of 10bit that HLG is using. I heared its only 604 vlaues... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deezid Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Jak234 said: and... its only such a shame that vlog uses so less of the 1024 values of 10bit that HLG is using. I heared its only 604 vlaues... The difference isn't dramatic. HLG uses limited range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sage Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 5 hours ago, Jak234 said: So do you also have this opinion? That the HLG Version is not that good color wise? I bought your lut and now think of buying the vlog as well. Vlog is the core of the original GHa; though wait a bit to decide. Something very relevant is coming Jak234 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jak234 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 On 22.3.2018 at 1:08 AM, Sage said: Something very relevant is coming Does this mean a direct conversion from HLG? that would be awesome as it just uses more of the 10bits and the color space 2020 is really sufficient even its not that big as vlog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sage Posted March 23, 2018 Author Share Posted March 23, 2018 46 minutes ago, Jak234 said: Does this mean a direct conversion from HLG? that would be awesome as it just uses more of the 10bits and the color space 2020 is really sufficient even its not that big as vlog. Its the conversion process itself that is entirely new; its pretty impressive JeremyDulac 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyDulac Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 32 minutes ago, Sage said: Its the conversion process itself that is entirely new; its pretty impressive Cant wait! Is it close to ready?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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