Sage Posted March 23, 2018 Author Share Posted March 23, 2018 59 minutes ago, JeremyDulac said: Cant wait! Is it close to ready?? The hard part is done; its comfortably a slam dunk, so to speak. Here's a taste - this is HLG (converted to VLog) and VLog (HLG is on bottom, with equally increased saturation to demo color, and overlayed vectorscopes): The waveforms are likewise identical, and the conversion is silk, throughout the entire color space. anonim 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyDulac Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Sage said: The hard part is done; its comfortably a slam dunk, so to speak. Here's a taste - this is HLG (converted to VLog) and VLog (HLG is on bottom, with equally increased saturation to demo color, and overlayed vectorscopes): HELL YEAH!! Looking great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sage Posted March 23, 2018 Author Share Posted March 23, 2018 39 minutes ago, JeremyDulac said: HELL YEAH!! Looking great! And... the one that I'm floored by... Jonesy Jones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyDulac Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, Sage said: And... the one that I'm floored by... Looks identical! Is this showing that colors continue to match as saturation is added? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sage Posted March 23, 2018 Author Share Posted March 23, 2018 That's VLog at top - and LogC at bottom anonim and deezid 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyDulac Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, Sage said: That's VLog at top - and LogC at bottom Oh dang! That is crazy - wouldnt know it wasnt from the same sensor! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majoraxis Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 This comes to mind... ; ) Excellent work Sage - I am a believer and ready to purchase... I am hoping that you will release a 4300k version... (actually 4400k as I am using a bi-color light 5600k+3200k/2) Thanks! Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sage Posted March 23, 2018 Author Share Posted March 23, 2018 I've been working on it since December; a custom coded color engine that accepts ~25,000 samples per camera, and smoothly interpolates between all of them. For a sense of perspective, GHa v1 was clocked at ~1000 samples per camera, and the average Lut has ~36k points - allotted to the entire *potential RGB range I'd like to do something for the 4k temp range; what light model do you use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deezid Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Sage said: I've been working on it since December; a custom coded color engine that accepts ~25,000 samples per camera, and smoothly interpolates between all of them. For a sense of perspective, GHa v1 was clocked at ~1000 samples per camera, and the average Lut has ~36k points - allotted to the entire *potential RGB range I'd like to do something for the 4k temp range; what light model do you use? Results look great! Sage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majoraxis Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 @ Sage. I have remote phosphor based lights by BB&S and Cineo. They both license the same patented phosphor formulation, so quality of the light is the same at the same panel color temperature. I have 5600k, 4300k and 3200k panels. I am planning using them together to give me a color temperature between 4300k-4400k: 4300k (single 4300k panel), 4400k (combination of 5600k and 3200k) and 4350k (combination of 4300k/5600k/3200k). I should have said I have tri-color lights, but that would have taken some explaining... ; ) I would be happy to shoot some test charts. I have a ColorChecker Passport and I can purchase the additional color charts as you require. Thanks! Mark Sage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dxotic Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Hi Sage, Will you be offering the GH5s conversion as a free update? I have the GH5 but may sell it to get the GH5s as it would suit my needs more. But I want to get into shooting something as it looks great and also test it out. Will the color coded engine be an app that you input the Kelvin into to get the lut? Sounds intriguing! mirekti and Sage 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sage Posted March 24, 2018 Author Share Posted March 24, 2018 Yes - send an email to emotivecolor (at) gmail indicating you'd like to use it with the GH5S. That's one of the things I'm considering. The tricky part is that there could be endless 4300ks, because every light will be seen differently by the sensors (which becomes more important when the new standard point is reference grade). An active software would have different lights to choose from, and accept chart inputs to anchor the conversion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dxotic Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Quick try in daylight with GHa Daylight on GH5 with Anamorphic 2x . very nice and filmic. Sage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sage Posted March 25, 2018 Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 10 hours ago, dxotic said: Quick try in daylight with GHa Daylight on GH5 with Anamorphic 2x . very nice and filmic. They look fantastic dxotic. May I ask, what editing software do you use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dxotic Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 I followed your instructions in the pdf using Resolve 14 )) making sure the luma are within the range of 128 - 768 we get the desired Alexa look. If I use Log- C I should be able to make any colour corrections needed but should I stray away from those luma levels or would that defeat the purpose of using the Lut? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iplaythebongos Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Just bought this and decided to try it out after a day out in the sun, accompanied by my son and a cheap variable ND filter. I shot slow-motion in V-Log, 4K24p in HLG, and when I switched modes to shoot some stills, I forgot to switch back to HLG and later realized I had been shooting half of my video clips in the Like 709 profile. When it was time to learn the workflow of these LUTs, I tried using the Joo.works GH5 colour correction kit (which turns a few of the other profiles like CineD into V-Log) to prepare the wrong clips, and to my surprise it actually looked pretty good - especially considering the conversion was from Like 709, which wasn't right at all. Disclaimer: My colour vision is not the best, but this might be useful if you have some old CineD footage you have laying around that you need to spice up! Although I hopefull won't make the same mistake again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sage Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 11 hours ago, dxotic said: I followed your instructions in the pdf using Resolve 14 )) making sure the luma are within the range of 128 - 768 we get the desired Alexa look. If I use Log- C I should be able to make any colour corrections needed but should I stray away from those luma levels or would that defeat the purpose of using the Lut? The luma range guidance is really for those using VLog encoded to Prores; otherwise the native VLog should be read correctly. For grading the final shot, the noise floor should most often be placed lower than 128. 'Main' will place luma levels optimally for a wide dynamic range shot. I intend to add a luma grading addition to the Pdf. Its good that you're using Resolve; that is the recommended NLE for GHa at the moment (update for PPro soon). Those are pretty intriguing shots by the way @iplaythebongos Ah, that kind of thing will happen : ) There is a degree of universality to Main/Soft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neufeldt Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Just want to say the LUTs are great. It's interesting how different GHa is from the GHaLogC-ARRIAlexaLogCRec709 pairing. Thoughts on a more neutral LUT with basically just the highlight rolloff (no longer having oversaturated and color shifted highlight transition is wonderful), or should I just use the Leeming LUT? One note for anyone else using Resolve on a non-cinema wide-gamut hardware-LUT display (not specific to this conversion at all, just in general for color grading): Accurate color absolutely requires the usage of a flat system ICC profile, a monitor-loaded LUT, and a 3D LUT in Resolve (3D Color Viewer LUT) as Resolve does not appear to be ICC aware in any way, shape, or form. This isn't particularly noticeable with SOOC footage, but Log footage run through a LUT (let alone complete color grading) is pretty painful otherwise. Sage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dxotic Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 On 3/26/2018 at 8:16 PM, Sage said: The luma range guidance is really for those using VLog encoded to Prores; otherwise the native VLog should be read correctly. For grading the final shot, the noise floor should most often be placed lower than 128. 'Main' will place luma levels optimally for a wide dynamic range shot. I intend to add a luma grading addition to the Pdf. Those are pretty intriguing shots by the way Great! looking forward to the luma grading pdf. you can send me an advance copy if you like Just walking around and shooting what i see in varying light sources to see how the LUT behaves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tergelet Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 I will definitely try this in the future. Great work! Sage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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