IronFilm Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 On 12/22/2017 at 3:36 PM, salim said: this is so good that makes me cry The audio made me cry :-( salim and webrunner5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Perfect mount system. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 7 hours ago, Don Kotlos said: Perfect mount system. Agreed. Using Sony FZ would be nice, but they won't open that up to everyone. (ditto locking E mount. Perhaps locking MFT might be best, but no one has came out with that) So a sub PL mount makes the next most sense. As it is open, anyone can use it, and it rock solid and gives a very wide range of adaptability. I blogged about the awesomeness of this back in 2016: http://ironfilm.co.nz/what-if-kinefinitys-kinemount-became-a-universal-cinema-mount/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raafi Rivero Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 On 12/24/2017 at 5:48 PM, IronFilm said: The audio made me cry :-( @IronFilm the audio's not as bad in this new test but still not perfecto. Some more cine-like images though: Don Kotlos, Cinegain, jonpais and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I like it. I want a smoke machine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timpy Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Hey Raafi, how do you find the audio on the body (Without the Kineback)? Do you think it will do fine with a Rode mic in the 3.5mm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raafi Rivero Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 @timpy I think a Rode going into a 3.5mm jack would do fine. Can test it with my Rode videomic soon. timpy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 2 hours ago, jonpais said: I like it. I want a smoke machine! Did you ever try the Tiffen Smoque? Well, of course you won't get those sexy light streaks, so much is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trek of Joy Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Nothing says cool like a fog machine. Nice footage from the Kine. Raafi Rivero 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 14 hours ago, jonpais said: I like it. I want a smoke machine! I've got the same smoke machine as him, but when I was shooting a scene for a feature last month I realised it had broken :-( We had to run out and buy smoke in a can instead 12 hours ago, timpy said: Hey Raafi, how do you find the audio on the body (Without the Kineback)? Do you think it will do fine with a Rode mic in the 3.5mm? A camera mounted mic on *ANY* camera is never going to be a great option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 a very poor option indeed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raafi Rivero Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 7 hours ago, IronFilm said: A camera mounted mic on *ANY* camera is never going to be a great option I agree that camera-mounted mics are a fallback, and relied on way too heavily. I used a lav in my first two videos about the camera (unsuccessfully in the second). My standard interview setup is a Zoom recorder with a Lav for the interviewee in one channel and a Rode NTG2 boom in the second channel. Then the Rode VideoMic mounted on the camera. The VideoMic is the backup to the backup. But it's saved me on several occasions like when you reframe and continue recording and the subject says something interesting or you're recording and either your sound person (if you have one) isn't on it, or your boom mic placement was only for one setup. It's a great tool to have in the bag. Also, for b-roll when the in-camera microphone would likely pick up sounds of any adjustments you'd make to the lens the VideoMic gives you a much better option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Looks like Kinefinity might have killed the Terra 5k. All references to it are removed from their website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 They said quite a while ago that the Terra 5K is on hold due to supplier issues. It is reasonable they now remove references to it on the website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Kinefinity makes Red look like the fastest startup company in existence! Jesus how they stay in business?? People that wait for that Dog Turd must have a HELL of a lot more patience than me, or no desire to shoot video. Maybe, ehh I won't say it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ehetyz Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 It's pretty obvious the 5K is dead. I think it'll be a while before we'll see an actually good Super35 high-res global shutter sensor and I doubt it's going to come from the sub-5000-dollar market either. The one in BMD4K and Aja Cion was pretty much a disaster and it's likely Kinefinity hit the same problems they did (bad light sensitivity, insufficient DR with global shutter). Remember when BMD was saying the 4,6K sensor would have an on/off global shutter mode? Back then they said activating the global shutter would have a DR hit of 2-3 stops. I'm sure it ended up being way more, as the DR hit would indicate they probably weren't able to do a dual gain readout simultaneously with global shutter. I'm pretty sure something similar happened with Kinefinity - they just couldn't wrangle a competetive image out of the 5K GS. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 4 hours ago, webrunner5 said: Kinefinity makes Red look like the fastest startup company in existence! You must have no memory of RED at all to think that?! Kinefinity has been really good with making and delivering products in comparison to RED's history TheRenaissanceMan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 8 hours ago, Ehetyz said: It's pretty obvious the 5K is dead. I think it'll be a while before we'll see an actually good Super35 high-res global shutter sensor and I doubt it's going to come from the sub-5000-dollar market either. The one in BMD4K and Aja Cion was pretty much a disaster and it's likely Kinefinity hit the same problems they did (bad light sensitivity, insufficient DR with global shutter). Remember when BMD was saying the 4,6K sensor would have an on/off global shutter mode? Back then they said activating the global shutter would have a DR hit of 2-3 stops. I'm sure it ended up being way more, as the DR hit would indicate they probably weren't able to do a dual gain readout simultaneously with global shutter. I'm pretty sure something similar happened with Kinefinity - they just couldn't wrangle a competetive image out of the 5K GS. I would not doubt that It will come below the 5000 market. The Rolling Shutter in the GH5s is really low. I think these small MP Full Sensor readouts will just get faster and faster, hell the new A7s mk III maybe, hopeful a Lot better. I think RS can be solved even on the cheap. 8 hours ago, IronFilm said: You must have no memory of RED at all to think that?! Kinefinity has been really good with making and delivering products in comparison to RED's history You have no memory of my Trying to buy a Red One. Story is on here. I know ALL about Red in the beginning. I talked to Jim Jannard all the time years ago. He was, and is, a nice guy. Yeah I gave up, but I So keep up with the industry. 10 years ago I could have bought an Alexa if I wanted to. Today, well that is a whole new ballgame. I still daydream. And Kinefinity is just as bad a Red, At least Red does keep you updated, maybe unhappy about the news, where Kinefinity doesn't do much of anything for years. I am well aware of what it takes to start up a new company. I have done it myself several times. One grossed Millions a year. Now I made about 50 cents a year from it trying to pay it off LoL. Din't need the money from it. But you have to keep people in the loop. I don't think Kinefinity is guilty of doing that , just guilty of the old Mushroom Theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 59 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: You have no memory of my Trying to buy a Red One. Story is on here. Yes, I recalled that which is why I found it strange you're complaining about Kinefinity when they've been nowhere even close to as bad?! 1 hour ago, webrunner5 said: where Kinefinity doesn't do much of anything for years False, Kinefinity has done many things over the years. Some of which has even been reported here on Andrew's blog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ehetyz Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 hours ago, webrunner5 said: I would not doubt that It will come below the 5000 market. The Rolling Shutter in the GH5s is really low. I think these small MP Full Sensor readouts will just get faster and faster, hell the new A7s mk III maybe, hopeful a Lot better. I think RS can be solved even on the cheap. Should've phrased that better. I'm sure it'll come to the sub-5000 market eventually, but I find it more likely we'll see them become common in upscale cinema cameras first. webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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